Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z19PS-0006mB-Rn for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 08:24:54 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.181; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f181.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z19PQ-0003xE-Fj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 08:24:54 +0000 Received: by wifx6 with SMTP id x6so40588548wif.0 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.86.168 with SMTP id q8mr3830894wiz.80.1433579086497; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amethyst.visucore.com (dhcp-089-098-016-041.chello.nl. [89.98.16.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k2sm1413433wif.3.2015.06.06.01.24.45 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 10:24:48 +0200 From: "Wladimir J. van der Laan" To: Mark Friedenbach Message-ID: <20150606082447.GA12749@amethyst.visucore.com> References: <87k2vhfnx9.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z19PQ-0003xE-Fj Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [RFC] Canonical input and output ordering in transactions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 08:24:54 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:46:17PM -0700, Mark Friedenbach wrote: > Rusty, this doesn't play well with SIGHASH_SINGLE which is used in > assurance contracts among other things. Sometimes the ordering is set by > the signing logic itself... But in that case (unconstrained) randomization can't be used either. This is posed as an alternative to randomization. So in that regard, the proposal still makes sense. I think this move to verifyable, deterministic methods where possible is good. Wladimir