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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:39:39 -0400
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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com>
To: Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65
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To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote inclusion, my own
personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member hat: on) is for
temporal bans based on temporal circumstances.  Default to
pro-forgiveness.  Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metric, rather
than focusing on a specific personality.

I do think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circles.

Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a cooling off period is IMO
advisable before taking any further action.



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> Mike has made a variety of false and damaging statements about Bitcoin, o=
f
> which this is but one:
>
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> I coined the term SPV so I know exactly what it means, and bitcoinj
> implements it, as does BreadWallet (the other big SPV implementation).
>
>
> On his website Vinumeris.com he writes:
>
> Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the developers of the
> Bitcoin digital currency system.
>
>
> On plan99.net there are several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=
=80=9Ccore
> developer=E2=80=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Sato=
shi.
>
> It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (like the one=
 above
> about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal control of Bitco=
in
> via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions that have been
> harming and dividing this community for several years now.
>
> In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that, once crossed,
> results in the expulsion of a member from the community.
>
> So, two questions:
>
> 1. Does the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?
> 2. If so, does the community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I
> personally feel he has. Multiple times.)
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Greg Slepak
>
> --
> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing=
 with
> the NSA.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote in=
clusion, my own personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member =
hat: on) is for temporal bans based on temporal circumstances.=C2=A0 Defaul=
t to pro-forgiveness.=C2=A0 Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metr=
ic, rather than focusing on a specific personality.<div><br></div><div>I do=
 think we&#39;re at a bit of a point where we&#39;re going around in circle=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a coo=
ling off period is IMO advisable before taking any further action.</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-de=
v <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo=
rd"><div>Dear list,</div><div><br></div><div>Mike has made a variety of fal=
se and damaging statements about Bitcoin, of which this is but one:</div><d=
iv><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn vi=
a bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" =
target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:</blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I coined the term SPV so I know ex=
actly what it means, and bitcoinj implements it, as does BreadWallet (the o=
ther big SPV implementation).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>On his website <a href=3D"http://Vinumeris.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Vinumeris.com</a>=C2=A0he writes:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite">Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the develop=
ers of the Bitcoin digital currency system.</blockquote><br></div><div>On <=
a href=3D"http://plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">plan99.net</a>=C2=A0there ar=
e several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=80=9Ccore developer=E2=80=
=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Satoshi.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (l=
ike the one above about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal =
control of Bitcoin via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions t=
hat have been harming and dividing this community for several years now.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that=
, once crossed, results in the expulsion of a member from the community.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>So, two questions:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Does =
the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?</div><div>2. If so, does th=
e community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I personally feel he has.=
 Multiple times.)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your thoughts,</div><=
div>Greg Slepak</div><div>
<br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none">--<=
/span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
l;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fa=
mily:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-we=
ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:=
inline!important;float:none">Please do not email me anything that you are n=
ot comfortable also sharing</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weig=
ht:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:in=
line!important;float:none">=C2=A0with the NSA.</span>
</div>

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