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From: Ben Thompson <thompson.benedictjames@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 21:43:16 +0000
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To: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32.com>, 
	Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Full node "tip" function
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I feel like this would be pointless as the vast majority of users would
likely download the blockchain from a node that was not enforcing a tip
requirement as it would seem like unnecessary cost as in protocol=E2=80=8Bs=
 such as
BitTorrent there is no such tips in sharing files and the blockchain
distribution is in eccense the same thing. However perhaps I am
underestimating the generosity of node operators but I feel that adding a
cost to the blockchain (assuming that all users add a tip requirement)
would lead to centralisation.

On Wed, 3 May 2017, 22:21 Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev, <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> IDEA:
>
> - Full nodes advertise a bitcoin address.   Users that need to download
> the block chain from that node can be encouraged to send a tip to the pee=
rs
> that served them (by % served).   Recommended tip of 10mbit should be fin=
e.
>
> - A full nodes can *require* a tip to download the blockchain.  If they
> do, users that don't specify a tip cannot use them.
>
> CONS:
>
> For some people, this may represent a barrier to hosting their own full
> node.   After all, if you have to pay $15 just to get a copy of the
> blockchain, that just adds to the already expensive prospect of hosting a
> full node.
>
> PROS:
>
> As long as you manage to stay online, you should get your money back and
> more.   This is the an incentive for quality, long term hosting.
>
> In the long term, this should cause stable nodes to stick around longer.
> It also discourages "installation spam" attacks on the network.
>
> Fees for other node operations can be considered if this is successful.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I feel like this would be pointless as the vast majority o=
f users would likely download the blockchain from a node that was not enfor=
cing a tip requirement as it would seem like unnecessary cost as in protoco=
l=E2=80=8Bs such as BitTorrent there is no such tips in sharing files and t=
he blockchain distribution is in eccense the same thing. However perhaps I =
am underestimating the generosity of node operators but I feel that adding =
a cost to the blockchain (assuming that all users add a tip requirement) wo=
uld lead to centralisation.</div><span>
</span><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, 3 May 2017, =
22:21 Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@list=
s.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.=
org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div><div>IDEA:<br><br></div>- Full nodes advertise a bitcoin address=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Users that need to download the block chain from that node ca=
n be encouraged to send a tip to the peers that served them (by % served).=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Recommended tip of 10mbit should be fine.<br><br></div>- A ful=
l nodes can *require* a tip to download the blockchain.=C2=A0 If they do, u=
sers that don&#39;t specify a tip cannot use them.<br><br></div><div>CONS:<=
br><br>For some people, this may represent a barrier to hosting their own f=
ull node.=C2=A0=C2=A0 After all, if you have to pay $15 just to get a copy =
of the blockchain, that just adds to the already expensive prospect of host=
ing a full node.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>PROS: <br></div><div><br>As=
 long as you manage to stay online, you should get your money back and more=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is the an incentive for quality, long term hosting.<br><=
br></div><div>In the long term, this should cause stable nodes to stick aro=
und longer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It also discourages &quot;installation spam&quot; a=
ttacks on the network.<br><br></div><div>Fees for other node operations can=
 be considered if this is successful.<br></div><div><br><br></div></div>
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