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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] F2Pool has enabled full replace-by-fee
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Has anyone from Mycelium weighed in on this? Is their doublespend attack
detection broken with this kind of irresponsible behavior?

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock.name>
wrote:

> On Friday, 19 June 2015, at 9:18 am, Adrian Macneil wrote:
> > If full-RBF sees any significant adoption by miners, then it will
> actively
> > harm bitcoin adoption by reducing or removing the ability for online or
> POS
> > merchants to accept bitcoin payments at all.
>
> Retail POS merchants probably should not be accepting vanilla Bitcoin
> payments, as Bitcoin alone does not (and cannot) guarantee the
> irreversibility of a transaction until it has been buried several blocks
> deep in the chain. Retail merchants should be requiring a co-signature from
> a mutually trusted co-signer that vows never to sign a double-spend. The
> reason we don't yet see such technology permeating the ecosystem is
> because, to date, zero-conf transactions have been irreversible "enough,"
> but this has only been a happy accident; it was never promised, and it
> should not be relied upon.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone from Mycelium weighed in on this? Is their doub=
lespend attack detection broken with this kind of irresponsible behavior?</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 1=
9, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Matt Whitlock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
ip@mattwhitlock.name" target=3D"_blank">bip@mattwhitlock.name</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Friday, 19 June 2015, at 9:18=
 am, Adrian Macneil wrote:<br>
&gt; If full-RBF sees any significant adoption by miners, then it will acti=
vely<br>
&gt; harm bitcoin adoption by reducing or removing the ability for online o=
r POS<br>
&gt; merchants to accept bitcoin payments at all.<br>
<br>
Retail POS merchants probably should not be accepting vanilla Bitcoin payme=
nts, as Bitcoin alone does not (and cannot) guarantee the irreversibility o=
f a transaction until it has been buried several blocks deep in the chain. =
Retail merchants should be requiring a co-signature from a mutually trusted=
 co-signer that vows never to sign a double-spend. The reason we don&#39;t =
yet see such technology permeating the ecosystem is because, to date, zero-=
conf transactions have been irreversible &quot;enough,&quot; but this has o=
nly been a happy accident; it was never promised, and it should not be reli=
ed upon.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div style=3D"text-align:left"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:xx-large">MONEY IS OVER!</span></b></div><div><div style=3D"=
text-align:left"><span style=3D"font-size:x-small">=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" target=3D"_b=
lank">IF YOU WANT IT</a></span></div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>The causes of my servit=
ude can be traced to the tyranny of money.<br>-Serj Tankian</div></div>
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