Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD6AAC2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:32:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62792118 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from berryeater.riseup.net (berryeater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F489403AA for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:32:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1435980768; bh=aFWQ3bsU1474ogJTgU3Kr4gcCSxR/QNnQtrq8lqZZCE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=MLnneV62KrrAxQ3+zhZgrRgiKACfypwVWnYaZqSPeQheJlYXXcKsYreJja9VBa8M1 Bkn5rl9wGlp8ehf9WlnKu3BoJZ/iP5wRlkIfIx1O1QMeDTkBQ+fBGKL0L+SYfLdcRI eyg2AgZfRYdoXirfMavFQxZgQEEeUawbjo4c5yFU= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla) with ESMTPSA id CE8504000B Message-ID: <559753DF.6000606@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:32:47 -0700 From: odinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <20150704033016.GA14836@savin.petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: <20150704033016.GA14836@savin.petertodd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fork of invalid blocks due to BIP66 violations X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:32:49 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "The Wall Street of Bitcoin" On 07/03/2015 08:30 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 03:17:17AM +0000, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Raystonn >> wrote: >>> We need some analysis on why this has happened. It appears the >>> larger hashrate is violating BIP66. Thus it appears the >>> network is rejecting this BIP, though potentially accidentally. >>> If this is an accident, how is such a large portion of hashrate >>> forking, and what can we do to avoid this in the future? >> >> A near majority of the hashrate on the network appears to be SPV >> mining. > > As for what "SPV mining" is: > > While blocks are propagating throughout the network, frequently > it's possible for miners to get the header of the block before they > get and fully validate the block itself. This is just a few seconds > to tens of seconds, but that's a big deal for profitability. So > miners have been running custom patches that mine on top of the > longest chain they know about, even if they haven't actually > verified the blocks in it due to propagation delays. > > Unfortunately the Bitcoin protocol lets you do that, and the extra > % of revenue makes a big difference when you take into account the > low profit margins of mining these days. BIP66 happened to trigger > this issue this time, but actually *any* miner creating an invalid > block for *any* reason would have done so with the software miners > are running right now. > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > - -- http://abis.io ~ "a protocol concept to enable decentralization and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" https://keybase.io/odinn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVl1PeAAoJEGxwq/inSG8C2LAIAK9FbCODbTu2t2yktusv37Sd zf5/ApqciZ01X4oiQHHKXIgzhYgNenv2dnRsBsrGtn53L1AopXOiSIcz8ECCYsjp lwiKitebU7VukDlCu07ZQpff62Hm34lsqo2oXZHSC/lKYXD5llixgCmNrs2CTYrF bWxCr2pngr+azDFX9hUSr6c48MO8Id8hdiWIcYwofNOcUACloqgJ/SaZZqT5OSXj gk3Iq0ltTQdc71z7g8G1cqHfL/Nu47X0XnwVt8UAOn0b8bo3Hbz3QegPXoj1tik2 j8lJUqm3lwKdIky2i50OWxL/agaXou3jJy19jhziW5sRh3tkZfC4BbI+wazfRyk= =dW9O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----