Return-Path: <jtimon@jtimon.cc> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69104958 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8104A7 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagz9 with SMTP id z9so12674751lag.3 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OmEbeaOogb3ZLreXmL0y0Mfoxr4l497j363LJXDkLFU=; b=R3eYmsYnpEpuRh24whz/YIDhQWlyoeta50y/2hfRDUK3juGhj8G1Czd4sUYUWQkb73 k1GPpt2RDJhkA1x9O+FWsZPlmAxvBcny2HjONT+yfYufF/mkwCZ+SRoF0adC5h4DDVwv EN9RFgNqnLtQRrhYCexHtzBaSRUKlxmPJRvhfGidNU2oe7x4MbU1f3rMYQ5KupaRjGWc jbqhY6JsrhCZIKvKPncoSNn/+G+sLDvGcxAsDfrAHfY71L4N5WdGoUYd9CDOOO03sfvj MVqzzRpfNS8OupJXcTnkzEKOVbFI+sdHKHAq2Df3UYOFaaQPUl8t+r/xUKyJLXayV06Q NgdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnrWymUkQ/MuQv0oxeREUm75cDtpjvU2vXYJjwhj0+qbO5BmJsd0UOOR3WJZYVHy1iXDR7k MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.7.68 with SMTP id h4mr178372laa.94.1440028562873; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.15.22 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CABm2gDpzAL9Rci8m60ruhHeDXx3gvGgPHMbupZKUZA1wys-AiQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CALqxMTFkgGx0FxMiZ77inOZSs_+TQ88Wpj-q-c12COkO9tP4gQ@mail.gmail.com> <CADJgMzv+cKPY9wrAzbk5pgQJS0=R9KWu-+EuppM=nmXs8RHxYg@mail.gmail.com> <20150819182010.GB12306@muck> <CADJgMzskK9iNoRzVr0BtK+XH-x2w5mGZtBiieQpwcGevnHRjGg@mail.gmail.com> <55D4D9C3.5070004@riseup.net> <C47D37EE-AE42-4175-AD6B-F6FD0841287B@gmail.com> <CABm2gDpAOQim63Q7r9r-Pv-K+FqizgDHNUmQ7uheGMuMt-e2QA@mail.gmail.com> <E3D72CF4-3D1C-4235-87F9-A035AFF28C27@gmail.com> <CABm2gDrefdHeYWF2y_o7A9NxRssC=ddHqY--ExxLv00TS4ShKQ@mail.gmail.com> <55D50C15.9020402@voskuil.org> <CABm2gDpzAL9Rci8m60ruhHeDXx3gvGgPHMbupZKUZA1wys-AiQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:56:02 +0200 Message-ID: <CABm2gDoP_YM3eh5ft=RxV3=ck5foCWhdWG5dDNDaVjV0q2aq9A@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= <jtimon@jtimon.cc> To: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>, Dark Wallet <genjix@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, Libbitcoin <libbitcoin@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 23:56:05 -0000 By the way, now that I remember why I subscribed to the libbitcoin list I want to share it with you. I met Amir Taaki in person in a spanish hackmeeting and had the chance to talk a lot with him, very interesting person whose input in this blocksize matter I would greatly appreciate. He explained some of his concerns with Bitcoin Core (Bitcoin-qt at the time) and he specifically named 2 persons: Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen. If I remember correctly, Hearn had recently proposed a blacklisting scheme for Bitcoin. I remember I said something along the lines: "Mike Hearn has certainly proposed some nasty things but I don't think other devs will ever accept that kind of changes in Bitcoin-qt. Regarding Gavin, I believe he is someone that can be trusted even if he visited the CIA. If anything, I think he is overly conservative about some changes, but that's very understandable given how fragile Bitcoin is (specially at this early stage)". Looking back, I now realize that his concerns were not exaggerated at all and I was clearly wrong thinking Gavin was overly conservative. He was also worried about the payment protocol and we agreed to disagree there (maybe I should read all the payment protocol stuff more deeply). I don't want this to be taken as an argument of authority "Mike and Gavin cannot be trusted because Amir didn't trust them", just as a curious anecdote. Amir, I wouldn't like to put words in your mouth: that's why I cc'ed you so you can correct me in case my memory is failing.