Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcf9D-00060t-RW for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:42:39 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=justusranvier@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Xcf9C-0006Dh-FP for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:42:39 +0000 Received: from plantcutter.riseup.net (plantcutter-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C08794E98C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: justusranvier) with ESMTPSA id 01D0A22EFD Received: from [192.168.199.27] (cobalt.localnet [192.168.199.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.fuckthenavy.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B57EA25967 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5438284F.8090609@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:41:19 +0000 From: Justus Ranvier MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <2262118.BDDGpkgqmz@1337h4x0r> In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=38450DB5; url=http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC3F7BB2638450DB5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030003020205070804070705" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Headers-End: 1Xcf9C-0006Dh-FP Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Something people are forgetting about the Gentoo / Luke-jr censorship issue X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:42:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030003020205070804070705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 10/10/2014 05:26 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > I'm sure this suggestion will go down like a lead balloon, but > Bitcoin Core is not the first project that's had issues with Linux > distros silently modifying their software as they package it. In > this case Luke has changed things to be closer to what users > expect, which is good to see, but I expect to see the same issue > crop up with other Linux distributions in future. The temptation to > "improve" things when you're a middleman is just too great. > > The usual approach to fixing it is trademark the project name and > use that to enforce "clean" packaging. Firefox and Chrome both take > this approach. I'll probably do the same with Lighthouse (need to > figure out the trademarking process first). > > The goal here is not to remove choice, rather to ensure people know > what they're getting. It's reasonable to assume if you do "emerge > bitcoin" then you're getting Bitcoin Core as distributed by > bitcoin.org, not a highly opinionated fork of it. Renaming a > project and creating a package under the new name is not only > better for end users, but lets the fork grow into something else > and be more usable to people on other distros too. > > In this case "Bitcoin" is already a trademark, though I lost track > of who owns it at the moment (the foundation?) but I guess Bitcoin > Core is not. Regardless of whether this is a good idea or not in general, it won't work in the case of Gentoo (and similar source-based distributions) because Gentoo doesn't distribute software - they distribute instructions which allow end users to download, compile, and install software (ebuilds). On my system I can compile a modified Firefox that still calls itself "Firefox" by setting USE="-bindist". This would put Gentoo in violation of Mozilla's trademarks if they were distributing that modified version, but they aren't, so they're not. They just distribute the instructions that tells my copy of Portage how to compile the modified version. As long as I don't distribute the modified binaries I compiled, then neither am I violating Mozilla's trademarks. tl;dr: The trademarking approach is only effective with regards to binary distributions, not source-based distributions. - -- Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. 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