Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54761A7A for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:58:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx-out02.mykolab.com (mx.kolabnow.com [95.128.36.1]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DC34139 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:58:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kolabnow.com X-Spam-Score: -2.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from mx05.mykolab.com (mx05.mykolab.com [10.20.7.161]) by mx-out02.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 253476223B for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 22:58:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Tom Zander To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 22:58:31 +0200 Message-ID: <7939356.11nSWPlGYM@strawberry> In-Reply-To: <03831fcd-1fd5-b769-0b3b-41e996894e1f@vt.edu> References: <2034434.4WpKWoeOrB@strawberry> <03831fcd-1fd5-b769-0b3b-41e996894e1f@vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:00:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Start time for BIP141 (segwit) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:58:37 -0000 On Sunday, 16 October 2016 12:49:47 CEST Douglas Roark via bitcoin-dev wrote: > It's not the website's fault if wallet devs aren't updating their > statuses. Besides, "WIP" can mean an awful lot of things. As I said, it would be nice to get an updated version so we can see more than 20% readyness of wallets. The wallet devs not caring enough to update the status should be a worrying sign, though. > A lot of devs have already worked on SegWit support. This has been > covered. Even if they don't support SegWit, the wallets will probably > work just fine. (For awhile, Armory did crash when trying to read SegWit SegWit is probably the most disruptive and most invasive change ever made to Bitcoin. We have miners actively saying they don't like it and this makes it a contriversial upgrade which means the network may split and other issues. Your "wallets will probably work just fine" comment is honestly not the answer to make people put faith in the way that this is being vetted and checked... > Also, once again, FlexTrans is off-topic. Its an alternative and brought up in that vain. Nothing more. Feel free to respond to the BIP discussion (134) right on this list if you have any opinions on it. They will be on-topic there. No problems have been found so far. Lets get back to the topic. Having a longer fallow period is a simple way to be safe. Your comments make me even more scared that safety is not taken into account the way it would. People are not even acknowledging the damage a contriversial soft fork of the scope and magnitude of SegWit can have, and a simple request to extend the fallow time for safety is really not a big deal. SegWit has been in development for 18 months or so, what is a couple of extra week?? I would just like to ask people to take the safety of Bitcoin serious. This discussion and refusal to extend the safety period is not a good sign. -- Tom Zander Blog: https://zander.github.io Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel