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From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 08:18:43 -0400
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To: Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction
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Bitcoin doesn't rely on fees.  It relys on users protecting the network out
of self interest

- running nodes now
- mining later

It has always been incentivised by holders acting out of self interest

If large holders allocating a small percentage to mining to protect their
interest, that's all Bitcoin needs

Although I can think of other protocols that work that way and people don't
like them







On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 4:06 AM Tom Harding via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On 7/11/22 15:26, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, designing protocols for "price go up forever" hopium is a bad
> idea.
>
> Yet that is the design, and it's a good one.  It is equivalent to
> relying on bitcoin to steadily grow in utility vs. fiat currencies.
>
> If it fails to do that, there's no point anyway.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Bitcoin doesn&#39;t rely on fees.=C2=A0 It relys on users=
 protecting the network out of self interest<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">- running nodes now</div><div dir=3D"auto">- mining later</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It has always been incenti=
vised by holders acting out of self interest</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">If large holders allocating a small percentage to mini=
ng to protect their interest, that&#39;s all Bitcoin needs</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Although I can think of other protocols =
that work that way and people don&#39;t like them</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 4:06 AM Tom Harding via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 7/11/22 15:2=
6, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyway, designing protocols for &quot;price go up forever&quot; hopium=
 is a bad idea.<br>
<br>
Yet that is the design, and it&#39;s a good one.=C2=A0 It is equivalent to =
<br>
relying on bitcoin to steadily grow in utility vs. fiat currencies.<br>
<br>
If it fails to do that, there&#39;s no point anyway.<br>
<br>
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