Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <gavinandresen@gmail.com>) id 1YrrVt-0004TI-LW for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:29:09 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.178; envelope-from=gavinandresen@gmail.com; helo=mail-lb0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com ([209.85.217.178]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YrrVs-0001js-JS for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:29:09 +0000 Received: by lbbzk7 with SMTP id zk7so99158572lbb.0 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Mon, 11 May 2015 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.4.72 with SMTP id i8mr9116671lai.32.1431365342191; Mon, 11 May 2015 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.90.75 with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2015 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <ce3d34c92efd1cf57326e4679550944e@national.shitposting.agency> References: <5550D8BE.6070207@electrum.org> <ce3d34c92efd1cf57326e4679550944e@national.shitposting.agency> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 13:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: <CABsx9T1VgxEJWxrYTs+2hXGnGrSLGJ6mVcAexjXLvK7Vu+e3EA@mail.gmail.com> From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> To: insecurity@national.shitposting.agency Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01494248c3e8a50515d1b6ab X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gavinandresen[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YrrVs-0001js-JS Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Long-term mining incentives X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:29:09 -0000 --089e01494248c3e8a50515d1b6ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think long-term the chain will not be secured purely by proof-of-work. I think when the Bitcoin network was tiny running solely on people's home computers proof-of-work was the right way to secure the chain, and the only fair way to both secure the chain and distribute the coins. See https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/630d4a6c24ac6144482a for some half-baked thoughts along those lines. I don't think proof-of-work is the last word in distributed consensus (I also don't think any alternatives are anywhere near ready to deploy, but they might be in ten years). I also think it is premature to worry about what will happen in twenty or thirty years when the block subsidy is insignificant. A lot will happen in the next twenty years. I could spin a vision of what will secure the chain in twenty years, but I'd put a low probability on that vision actually turning out to be correct. That is why I keep saying Bitcoin is an experiment. But I also believe that the incentives are correct, and there are a lot of very motivated, smart, hard-working people who will make it work. When you're talking about trying to predict what will happen decades from now, I think that is the best you can (honestly) do. -- -- Gavin Andresen --089e01494248c3e8a50515d1b6ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I think long-term the chain wil= l not be secured purely by proof-of-work. I think when the Bitcoin network = was tiny running solely on people's home computers proof-of-work was th= e right way to secure the chain, and the only fair way to both secure the c= hain and distribute the coins.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><d= iv class=3D"gmail_extra">See=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://gist.github.com/gavina= ndresen/630d4a6c24ac6144482a">https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/630d4a6= c24ac6144482a</a> =C2=A0for some half-baked thoughts along those lines. I d= on't think proof-of-work is the last word in distributed consensus (I a= lso don't think any alternatives are anywhere near ready to deploy, but= they might be in ten years).</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><di= v class=3D"gmail_extra">I also think it is premature to worry about what wi= ll happen in twenty or thirty years when the block subsidy is insignificant= . A lot will happen in the next twenty years. I could spin a vision of what= will secure the chain in twenty years, but I'd put a low probability o= n that vision actually turning out to be correct.<br></div><div class=3D"gm= ail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">That is why I keep saying B= itcoin is an experiment. But I also believe that the incentives are correct= , and there are a lot of very motivated, smart, hard-working people who wil= l make it work. When you're talking about trying to predict what will h= appen decades from now, I think that is the best you can (honestly) do.<br = clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">--<br>Ga= vin Andresen<br></div> </div></div> --089e01494248c3e8a50515d1b6ab--