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From: "t. khan" <teekhan42@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 16:23:19 -0500
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To: alp alp <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com>
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Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Community Consensus Voting System
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On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:22 PM, alp alp <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are non-answers.  Someone must decide.  Someone must decide what
> kind of company counts (e.g. does a dark market seller count as a
> business?  Does some guy who sells $10/year worth of goods using Bitcoin
> count the same as large companies like Coinbase/BitPay/Blockstream).
> Someone must decide which websites are checked for votes or addresses.
> Someone must decide if a rogue employee made a transaction on behalf of t=
he
> company or not.
>

The less centralized decision making there is, the better. All confirmed
votes will be added to each BIP, so everyone can make their own decision as
to whether or not they want to count it. Remember, this is about gauging
community support.

Rogue employees?: The company in question would have to deal with that.


> Registering domain names is trivial and can be automated if the incentive=
s
> were needed for it.
>

Mountains out of mole hills here=E2=80=94if the domain name is registered a=
fter
voting is called, that would be a pretty clear indicator it's a fake
company.


> You mention developers who have commit access.  This excludes the vast
> majority of developers.  You also don't mention which repositories count.
> Do the developers of bcoin count or not?
>

After further consideration, and as the goal of this is to determine what
the community will support, developers won't have a confirmed vote. They
would get a standard vote though, just like everyone else.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:22 PM, alp alp <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alp.bitcoin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">alp.bitcoin@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">These are non=
-answers.=C2=A0 Someone must decide.=C2=A0 Someone must decide what kind of=
 company counts (e.g. does a dark market seller count as a business?=C2=A0 =
Does some guy who sells $10/year worth of goods using Bitcoin count the sam=
e as large companies like Coinbase/BitPay/Blockstream).=C2=A0 Someone must =
decide which websites are checked for votes or addresses.=C2=A0 Someone mus=
t decide if a rogue employee made a transaction on behalf of the company or=
 not.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The less centralized decision m=
aking there is, the better. All confirmed votes will be added to each BIP, =
so everyone can make their own decision as to whether or not they want to c=
ount it. Remember, this is about gauging community support.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Rogue employees?: The company in question would have to deal with=
 that.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div>Registering domain names is trivial and can be automated if the ince=
ntives were needed for it.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
Mountains out of mole hills here=E2=80=94if the domain name is registered a=
fter voting is called, that would be a pretty clear indicator it&#39;s a fa=
ke company.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>You mention developers who have commit access.=C2=A0 This exc=
ludes the vast majority of developers.=C2=A0 You also don&#39;t mention whi=
ch repositories count.=C2=A0 Do the developers of bcoin count or not?<br></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>After further consideration, and=
 as the goal of this is to determine what the community will support, devel=
opers won&#39;t have a confirmed vote. They would get a standard vote thoug=
h, just like everyone else.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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