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Even if it's a 1/1024 multisig, a valid public key=20 signature pair will need to be provided. The merkle path would then be how= =20 the arbitrary data could be encoded. In my mind this is a highly=20 impractical scenario that gets exponentially more complex, and only works= =20 32 bytes at a time. Does that make sense? Hunter On Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 3:00:36=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7 Jonas Nick wrot= e: > > it would require an extraordinary amount of computation to wind up with= =20 > enough > > to store arbitrary data. > > I have no idea why this would require extraordinary amount of computation= .=20 > In > the example I provided, arbitrary data can be included in the attestation > structure with zero additional computational cost, no elliptic curve=20 > grinding or > hash collisions required. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= fac67bec-cbf3-4e49-b73d-f8057adca0aan%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_21715_755010069.1741035623622 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Jonas

In order to spend the coins, a valid signatu= re will need to be present in the attestation. Even if it's a 1/1024 multis= ig, a valid public key signature pair will need to be provided. The merkle = path would then be how the arbitrary data could be encoded. In my mind this= is a highly impractical scenario that gets exponentially more complex, and= only works 32 bytes at a time.

Does that make s= ense?

Hunter

On Wednesday, February 26, = 2025 at 3:00:36=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7 Jonas Nick wrote:
> it would require an extraordina= ry amount of computation to wind up with enough
> to store arbitrary data.

I have no idea why this would require extraordinary amount of computati= on. In
the example I provided, arbitrary data can be included in the attestati= on
structure with zero additional computational cost, no elliptic curve gr= inding or
hash collisions required.

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