Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SJ4fi-0003Un-HZ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:13:54 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-wg0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1SJ4fh-0002gT-PJ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:13:54 +0000 Received: by wgbfm10 with SMTP id fm10so3589293wgb.10 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.95.34 with SMTP id dh2mr4744904wib.15.1334416427651; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.230.218 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:13:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W8-M6xDdOwQ3wUOe5VsmmC-04Z0 Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: Jeff Garzik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1SJ4fh-0002gT-PJ Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin TX fill-or-kill deterministic behavior X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:13:54 -0000 > So, to be specific... a A->B chain of transactions, that collectively > meet the network's fee requirements? Yes. > Ideally the fee, if any, is market based and negotiated. Problem is... like > democracy, no matter how ugly it is, people have trouble finding a > better system :) I think this is something we can explore over the coming years. I favor having people commonly pass transactions around outside the broadcast network with the transactions and their dependencies being broadcast only when there's a lack of trust between recipient and sender. The block chain is an optional service after all. > Furthermore, many of these ideas -- like sending TX's directly to the > merchant -- involve far more direct payee<->payer communication on the > part of the wallet client than is currently envisioned Yes, though it's worth remembering that the original Bitcoin design did have participants communicate directly. When I talked with Satoshi in 2009 he saw the pay-to-IP-address mode imagined as the normal way to make payments, with pay-to-address being used as a kind of backup for when the recipient was offline. In the end that's not how things evolved, but it the pendulum could easily swing back the other way.