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From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:07:12 -0700
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To: Santino Napolitano <santino.napolitano@yandex.com>
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Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] On bitcoin-dev list admin and list noise
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This mailing list was never meant to be a place "to hold the bitcoin
development community accountable for its actions [sic]." I know other
developers that have switched to digest-only or unsubscribed. I know if
this became a channel for PR and populist venting as you describe, I would
leave as well. This mailing list is meant to be a place to discuss ongoing
bitcoin development issues relating to the protocol and its instantiation
in bitcoin core. Please don't decrease the utility of this list by
expanding scope.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Santino Napolitano via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I'm not intending to completely dismiss your concerns but as a data point:
> I read this list daily and it usually takes 15 minutes or less while I
> drink a cup of coffee.
>
> My concern is that this is one of the (maybe *the*) last uncensored
> persisted forums related to technical bitcoin discussion with wide
> viewership. It is increasingly difficult for an average somewhat technical
> person to attempt to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for
> its actions or have their voice heard. It would really be a shame if
> messages like this were relegated to a black hole where things like the
> exchange rate and various scammy spam goes to fester.
>
> >Debates over bitcoin philosophy, broader context, etc. will start seeing
> grumpy list admins squawk about "off-topic!"
>
> Who will draw this line? It's unclear to me who the list admins are.
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>This mailing list was never meant to be a place &quot=
;to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for its actions [sic=
].&quot; I know other developers that have switched to digest-only or unsub=
scribed. I know if this became a channel for PR and populist venting as you=
 describe, I would leave as well. This mailing list is meant to be a place =
to discuss ongoing bitcoin development issues relating to the protocol and =
its instantiation in bitcoin core. Please don&#39;t decrease the utility of=
 this list by expanding scope.<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Santino Napol=
itano via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@l=
ists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati=
on.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m not =
intending to completely dismiss your concerns but as a data point: I read t=
his list daily and it usually takes 15 minutes or less while I drink a cup =
of coffee.<br>
<br>
My concern is that this is one of the (maybe *the*) last uncensored persist=
ed forums related to technical bitcoin discussion with wide viewership. It =
is increasingly difficult for an average somewhat technical person to attem=
pt to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for its actions or=
 have their voice heard. It would really be a shame if messages like this w=
ere relegated to a black hole where things like the exchange rate and vario=
us scammy spam goes to fester.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt;Debates over bitcoin philosophy, broader context, etc. will start seein=
g grumpy list admins squawk about &quot;off-topic!&quot;<br>
<br>
</span>Who will draw this line? It&#39;s unclear to me who the list admins =
are.<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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