Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WsxfQ-0000tG-EI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:11:00 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.53; envelope-from=gmaxwell@gmail.com; helo=mail-la0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WsxfO-0002Yc-BO for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:11:00 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id ty20so1704760lab.40 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.135 with SMTP id s7mr3108710las.55.1402074651535; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.235.72 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140606170524.GA29195@savin> References: <20140606081933.GA29458@savin> <20140606084852.GA30247@netbook.cypherspace.org> <20140606090441.GA19256@savin> <20140606104543.GA31085@netbook.cypherspace.org> <20140606164639.GB14891@savin> <20140606170524.GA29195@savin> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: Gregory Maxwell To: Peter Todd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gmaxwell[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WsxfO-0002Yc-BO Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bloom bait X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:11:00 -0000 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Peter Todd wrote: > Again, you *don't* have to use brute-force prefix selection. You can > just as easily give your peer multiple prefixes, each of which > corresponds at least one address in your wallet with some false positive > rate. I explained all this in detail in my original blockchain data > privacy writeup months ago. I'm not trying to pick nits about all the options, I just found it surprising that you were saying that data published in a super public manner is no different than something used between nodes. > I explained all this in detail in my original blockchain data privacy wri= teup months ago. Communication is a two way street, Adam and I (and others) are earnestly trying=E2=80=94 that we're not following your arguments may be a suggestion that they need to be communicated somewhat differently. I'm still failing to see the usefulness of having any prefix filtering for DH-private outputs. It really complicates the security story=E2=80=94 i= n particular you don't know _now_ what activities will turn your prior information leaks into compromising ones retrospectivelly, and doesn't seem at very necessary for scanning performance.