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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 07:53:14 -0500
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From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70: PaymentACK semantics
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> Yeah, that's the interpretation I think we should go with for now. There
> was a reason why this isn't specified and I forgot what it was - some
> inability to come to agreement on when to broadcast vs when to submit via
> HTTP, I think.
>

If the wallet software is doing automatic CoinJoin (for example), then
typically one or several of the other participants will broadcast the
transaction as soon as it is complete.

If the spec said that wallets must not broadcast until they receive a
PaymentACK (if a payment_url is specified), then you'd have to violate the
spec to do CoinJoin.

And even if you don't care about CoinJoin, not broadcasting the transaction
as soon as the inputs are signed adds implementation complexity (should you
retry if payment_url is unavailable? how many times? if you eventually
unlock the probably-not-quite-spent-yet inputs, should you double-spend
them to yourself just in case the merchant eventually gets around to
broadcasting the transaction, or should you just unlock them and squirrel
away the failed Payment so if the merchant does eventually broadcast you
have a record of why the coins were spent).

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Gavin Andresen

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, that&#39;s the interpretation I think we should go w=
ith for now. There was a reason why this isn&#39;t specified and I forgot w=
hat it was - some inability to come to agreement on when to broadcast vs wh=
en to submit via HTTP, I think.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If the wallet software is doing automatic =
CoinJoin (for example), then typically one or several of the other particip=
ants will broadcast the transaction as soon as it is complete.</div><div>
<br></div><div>If the spec said that wallets must not broadcast until they =
receive a PaymentACK (if a payment_url is specified), then you&#39;d have t=
o violate the spec to do CoinJoin.</div><div><br></div><div>And even if you=
 don&#39;t care about CoinJoin, not broadcasting the transaction as soon as=
 the inputs are signed adds implementation complexity (should you retry if =
payment_url is unavailable? how many times? if you eventually unlock the pr=
obably-not-quite-spent-yet inputs, should you double-spend them to yourself=
 just in case the merchant eventually gets around to broadcasting the trans=
action, or should you just unlock them and squirrel away the failed Payment=
 so if the merchant does eventually broadcast you have a record of why the =
coins were spent).</div>
<div>=A0</div></div>-- <br>--<br>Gavin Andresen<br>
</div></div>

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