Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FD4DAB2 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail149078.authsmtp.net (outmail149078.authsmtp.net [62.13.149.78]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BEC133 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt17.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5RIltjg024782; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:47:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from muck (cpe-74-66-142-58.nyc.res.rr.com [74.66.142.58]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5RIlpN3088179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:47:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:47:51 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Jameson Lopp Message-ID: <20150627184751.GA16460@muck> References: <20150627163731.GA12820@muck> <20150627173451.GA28181@muck> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Server-Quench: 054b65c5-1cfd-11e5-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAUUEkAaAgsB AmMbWl1eVFp7XGc7 bA5PawNDY05MQQBi T01BRU1TWkFtY2Vd RmAdUhF6dgJPNn9y ZkZiEHBeWBZ8cBV4 X08HQzkbZGY1bX0W BkdcagNUcgZDfk5E aVUrVz1vNG8XDSg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBHWx8 CjkXKkoVWksHVhU7 QggYGjAuBkBNWyJ7 MxwrYnQYG00Sen4z I1ZpfVMdMgN6 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 74.66.142.58/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Proposed Compromise to the Block Size Limit X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:47:58 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 02:02:05PM -0400, Jameson Lopp wrote: > > For Bitcoin to have O(n) scaling you have to assume that the number of > > validation nodes doesn't scale with the number of users, thus resulting > > in a system where users trust others to do validation for them. That is > > not a global consensus system; that's a trust-based system. > > > > > Why does it matter what the "total work" of the network is? Anyone who is > participating as a node on the network only cares about the resources > required to run their own node, not the resources everyone else needs to > run their nodes. >=20 > Also, no assumption needed, it is quite clear that the number of nodes is > not scaling along with the number of users. If anything it appears to be > inversely proportional. Which is a huge problem. Concretely, what O(n^2) scaling means is that the more Bitcoin is adopted, the harder it is to use in a decentralized way that doesn't trust others; the blocksize limit puts a cap on how centralized Bitcoin can get in a given technological landscape. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 0000000000000000007fc13ce02072d9cb2a6d51fae41fefcde7b3b283803d24 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVju/UXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDdmYzEzY2UwMjA3MmQ5Y2IyYTZkNTFmYWU0MWZlZmNk ZTdiM2IyODM4MDNkMjQvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQwIXyHOf0udzTJQgAiw1iXNHpQ3t7JsrMtTqs1+QV mjOi1aZCj+5p+WUWWd/0K1FfOuNS0e6+F4XrMqwh1VI9LTMauOaK82AyJsGVRS8V uenitk8v4QY8SJbAZUVw0MSVBG8G1q5b1aSwsa//OWNqtklmaLEpTwTMZAB209Jz rOr5UUj3J6Mi5t9kWomvLClOeSQl3pHEBjzb4MkMUJsytZcSuW2zJFFJEube0eFZ nxrck036Xro1hmjjDQA376aZK/yz5AI0KjiCLyWMzW9h6ET4WeUDTMyMhjsKrnbM 2dnwC7rwMf6VX2sAHmNgvkDjDDErKNav9oodtxv/V15B3CdraCqqcG+44xG0vQ== =lTgc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+--