Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FB4F323 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:16:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 306707C for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbci14 with SMTP id ci14so101418132pdb.2 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:16:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=WpdQqYGK9K5wIZ3rwQZsSf7rOQJtm51VQM6Qeoo1Wo8=; b=K9KajAf+7lSjyMMHAxUwV2EBLyjqmX1/uB97oDnPf9sXfTE+CqMsVM/N3Yz2LUbIMw Ka3fLZF1h5//wUm52q+3rU06Z0aB4RiOEPLQxHuJgW6DebTU8WrZ95mAmKsHoBdqf/N3 1eZxAMg0RuXjazVYaySr7PcidQ02egNJkfVsUmJUuCi6SOIJGKVjcEMwaaZQUvMoSPRZ Ap0dG/FcONbAn5Sop2qAqpsq5bx6P5LOXtisNaLkt15bUjce7e3fqVvmPf4rxMND7SOY aRGJh8NFThroI+RSMTxdV2yFUPksjzFcfs8fCg5VBwuG66It62M2uWR2faBIqor4xhdQ dWuQ== X-Received: by 10.70.43.136 with SMTP id w8mr22462411pdl.157.1435500969936; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pc9sm39267043pdb.6.2015.06.28.07.16.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2C70EC86-C036-451B-8A70-8E048B2DA3B4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:16:01 -0700 Message-Id: <21CECA63-6993-47F9-B963-A1075C45A268@gmail.com> References: <20150627074259.GA25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627095501.C59B541A40@smtp.hushmail.com> <20150627100400.GC25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627102912.06E2641A3E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20150627121016.2360041A3E@smtp.hushmail.com> To: Ivan Brightly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, URIBL_BLACK autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] The need for larger blocks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:16:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2C70EC86-C036-451B-8A70-8E048B2DA3B4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_04E0608C-0E75-4EBB-8F64-30C4BA243119" --Apple-Mail=_04E0608C-0E75-4EBB-8F64-30C4BA243119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Furthermore, the actual way in which the conflict is resolved sets a = precedent for how such disagreements are to be =E2=80=9Cresolved=E2=80=9D = in the future. So the means are also important to consider. - Eric > On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Ivan Brightly = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n > wrote: >=20 > No, this is very important. The majority has no right to dictate on > the minority. >=20 > While an interesting philosophical question, I don't think that this = is accurate. First off, bitcoin doesn't imbue any 'rights' on = individuals - it provides the choice of participating or not, nothing = more. >=20 > Secondly, from a technical perspective, how is it that the majority = (or super-majority) are prevented from imposing their will? The best = answer is that they are incentivized to not override a minority group = since that reduces the inherent value in the system. However, presuming = that the majority calculate that the reward for imposing a change is = greater than the value lost in such disruption, I don't see how there = would be any stopping this change. The longest chain with the greatest = number of users valuing the token on that chain "wins". >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail=_04E0608C-0E75-4EBB-8F64-30C4BA243119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Furthermore, the actual way in which the conflict is resolved = sets a precedent for how such disagreements are to be =E2=80=9Cresolved=E2= =80=9D in the future.

So the means are also important to consider.

- Eric

On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:51 AM, = Ivan Brightly <ibrightly@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, = Jun 28, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n <jtimon@jtimon.cc> wrote:

No, this is very important. The majority has no right to dictate on
the minority.

While an interesting philosophical = question, I don't think that this is accurate. First off, bitcoin = doesn't imbue  any 'rights' on individuals - it provides the choice = of participating or not, nothing more.

Secondly, from a technical perspective, = how is it that the majority (or super-majority) are prevented from = imposing their will? The best answer is that they are incentivized to = not override a minority group since that reduces the inherent value in = the system. However, presuming that the majority calculate that the = reward for imposing a change is greater than the value lost in such = disruption, I don't see how there would be any stopping this change. The = longest chain with the greatest number of users valuing the token on = that chain "wins".

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