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To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes?
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Headers first loading allows the node to run SPV from the very first =
minutes and it can converge to full node by time.
This is BTW how newest versions of BOP can work.

Pruning however disqualifies the node as a source for bootstrapping an =
other full node.=20
BTW, did we already agree on the service bits for an archive node?


Tamas Blummer
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On 07.04.2014, at 20:23, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> * Sent 456.5 gb data
>=20
> At my geographic service location (Singapore), this cost about $90 =
last month for bandwidth alone.
>=20
> One of the reasons I initiated the (now stalled) PayFile project was =
in anticipation of this problem:
>=20
> https://github.com/mikehearn/PayFile
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dr0BXnWlnIi4&feature=3Dyoutu.be
>=20
> At some point if you want to actually download and validate the full =
block chain from scratch, you will have to start paying for it I'm sure.
>=20
> In the meantime:
> Getting headers-first implemented and rolled out everywhere would =
reduce the amount of redundant downloading and hopefully reduce transmit =
traffic network-wide.
> Implementing chain pruning would allow people to control upload =
bandwidth consumption by reducing the amount of disk storage they allow.
>=20
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after-white-space;">Headers first loading allows the node to run SPV =
from the very first minutes and it can converge to full node by =
time.<div>This is BTW how newest versions of BOP can =
work.</div><div><br><div>Pruning however disqualifies the node as a =
source for bootstrapping an other full node.&nbsp;</div><div>BTW, did we =
already agree on the service bits for an archive node?<br><div><div =
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<br><div><div>On 07.04.2014, at 20:23, Mike Hearn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
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* Sent 456.5 gb data<br>
<br>
At my geographic service location (Singapore), this cost about $90 last =
month for bandwidth alone.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>One of the =
reasons I initiated the (now stalled) PayFile project was in =
anticipation of this problem:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/mikehearn/PayFile">https://github.com/mikehearn=
/PayFile</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dr0BXnWlnIi4&amp;feature=3Dyoutu.b=
e">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dr0BXnWlnIi4&amp;feature=3Dyoutu.be</a>=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>At some point if you want to actually download and =
validate the full block chain from scratch, you will have to start =
paying for it I'm sure.</div><div><br></div><div>In the =
meantime:</div><div><ol>
<li>Getting headers-first implemented and rolled out everywhere would =
reduce the amount of redundant downloading and hopefully reduce transmit =
traffic network-wide.<br></li><li>Implementing chain pruning would allow =
people to control upload bandwidth consumption by reducing the amount of =
disk storage they allow.</li>
</ol><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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