Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE3B3720 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12ED4A9 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.101.177.144] by 3capp-mailcom-bs03.server.lan (via HTTP); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:12:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Slurms MacKenzie" To: gavinandresen@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:12:35 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <55B113AF.40500@thinlink.com>, X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Lkw0NPFdqHMmB6LdvUTgzbnME6pnAvGH46lEo2a7LZY HDYqY6Rr+VNz+Bv3MzoIJj7RlGsYdKKsctOyD4gJLESLBIYPLo 1bvUAddC3bhjRLKY4Sg3GuJSNxXXKVdYBq25rsd0KYxEosTq8E SFJga3OXAqm13UoOe0HdUfPEhB1TWF3Ypqz8ZU9RSmmyJ7nh+n 6iYRq3EpHR3xjXOKI5YoEDAXNIpmqOKeoNzgiyBh7nQ90SgfWZ gfB0zFREWLV/uPUsmbdIWjByMXxTES4c7JL6X/DIR6+qPcGGVB i0xmK2zAPSXF4ZQvdg+aO7ZqNtd X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:aROGxFvbD74=:OATlUeQ8m3g6JPIo2nl/gd h2KFj6ar/po/fP4YKH8UwZgOZNxxe7y94wUM6T3uGHYVgnHQcc09OdXTulTQKMinMOeMevOol ifnAu0ijYpkLhHpqI6SHVOXEDfOxTSmxb1zJM8O1ntr1ZwonJRAMMLvlKf5e1vuaTiM9CKm9j 4XjctXXXHIGobsdiydMsqMMjlRXXqDK9ZOM026/AJhCxORJJFjZvzAbkwsJSVCN4uz0HLHsSz lTWnjSSTqx/y8WgUm2aqTtbXqZDRSDqkavzc4JYSWLQ2tviMGXQKMaA+MML8WrR9iqS4MRYcp QN2bokiGeVigJ1Llaci1l/fRdruZ49H9GjkgzcYzyASvcT10GzAMo8MexACC5SQoM2I55ekHW Mq00mCc9ZmEqJRuKSNfxin3o4JHWYgfgHKbZYqUvSEsOQgJhnRT7pWhO8lJMD09hIDDzmB5px NyGo520PSQ== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:12:38 -0000 > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:28 PM > From: "Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev" > To: "Tom Harding" > Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core and hard forks > > I'm frankly tired of all the negativity here You complained about the lack of quantitative analysis being used, I gave it to you. There's nothing "negative" about displaying data which doesn't completely back up what your position is, I made a sensible conclusion based on the facts I have in front of me. Ignoring the information I collected and presented for you is incredibly childish. > I'd really like to move from "IMPOSSIBLE because... (electrum hasn't been optimized > (by the way: you should run on SSDs, LevelDB isn't designed for spinning disks), I should stress that I didn't present that timing information as a dig against their software, it just happens to be something I have direct access to and can prevent clean data about. The point that I was attempting to make is that Bitcoin Core isn't the only piece of software in the ecosystem with performance problems, given that a large portion of users have Electrum wallets it would be insane not to consider the impact changes will have on the people that charitably run servers for the community. By the way, is that an offer to buy my dedicated server some new SSDs? > work with people like Tom and Mike who have a 'lets get it done' attitude, and > focus on what it will take to scale up. Scaling up isn't tweaking parameters and ignoring the brickwork falling around your head. You mention that you think the merkle tree can hold an unlimited amount of information, that's all very well so long as people can actually validate the thing. Miners aren't even willing to validate their own blocks at the peril of losing $7000 USD (on two occasions now), so why would anybody else?