Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:02:56 -0500
From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org>
To: Andy Schroder <info@AndySchroder.com>
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Cc: Eric Stetson <eric@grantcoin.org>,
	bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough
 to host this list?
Precedence: list

I'll sponsor it, if we agree to implement a HashCash spam filter
in the next 6 months. I've run mail servers for $DAYJOB for 5 or
so years, and I've run my own personal server for the last 14.

Since Bitcoin is a perfectly good HashCash system, I'm thinking a
http://www.courier-mta.org/courierfilter.html filter plugin that 
checks to ensure that the required bitcoin fee has been paid, or 
better yet included in the message in some standard form.

I'd like to have several other people with linux admin experience
also agree to host live mirrors of the list, which could be switched
over by whomever controls the relevant MX records for the mail list.

What do you think a reasonable per-message fee should be, such that
a couple of independent admins can reasonably expect to be able to
pay $250/month each for their time and server hosting/bandwidth costs?

I also think that anyone who's contributed more than say 10 or 15 
commits to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
should be excluded from the pay-with-bitcoin filter, as they have
paid with code. The rest of us should be paying to distribute and 
archive their efforts.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:46:49PM -0400, Andy Schroder wrote:
> Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in 
> sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to 
> always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an 
> agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also 
> thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this 
> cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list 
> subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays), 
> as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their 
> messages, and at the same time limit spam.
> 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Andy Schroder
> 
> On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote:
> >> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/
> > All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sourceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core release announcements for a long time.
> >
> > No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The issue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people can't agree where to move to.
> >
> > Wladimir
> >
> >
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7 elements      earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul        grid.coop

      Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
         nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash