Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77F3E4D3 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:52:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF877188 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so77579947igu.0 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TpPszmi4UJGkoTPncPfRxfO1xcHn7F0Mo9yc0dUxpm4=; b=pQUsZ0QJt4MP9Bofde9mBKfZ4RF2KDIhqWRyCEU+tV5asA3xPC4PQfBbfYr+cY5jUM uyhKd8ov+RCnyMB+BV292B1eogYufTLQ8RdyJ8DHhd155EzUUiLI7bmxHpxC0yLlmeFc NWp5xfseQee3qOqS5vPSAJmJ0FO0jeqk62ufWX8E2eBmZQscfDvgj8ho023ypQGtnSRI O28+VdzLEwqxCm69Whru81geDeQ32r/7x0QD1lK+4MUM6eBI+qDTsl6J0U+wzF5dPKnI sunt+++soGthzTYc94sT/Ruv06AmIBD6DldgB46ZnfXgD7Na22r3T7NHwwUI52TG2lxD 4S/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.2 with SMTP id qm2mr16655894igb.32.1439898770286; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.37.130 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6EC9DDF352DC4838AE9B088AB372428A25E1F42A@DS04> <55D1C81D.4070402@olivere.de> <55D24625.40806@olivere.de> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:52:50 +0300 Message-ID: From: Micha Bailey To: "Warren Togami Jr." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135ffb0b72f6c051d948e63 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:52:51 -0000 --001a1135ffb0b72f6c051d948e63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My interpretation is that he's saying Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return as Satoshi, because whatever he did/said would inevitably end up being treated with authority, which shouldn't be the case. On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > I honestly don't understand your position, but I get the sense that you > are suggesting Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return if he wanted to be > active in development again? > > Warren > On Aug 17, 2015 1:38 PM, "Oliver Egginger" > wrote: > >> Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Warren Togami Jr.: >> > This bitcoin-dev list restarted with an empty subscriber list on June >> > 21st, 2015. So whoever posted from satoshi@vistomail.com >> >> > > > subscribed and >> verified the address >> > recently. Do you propose that we manually approve new subscribers to >> > prevent these kind of "abuses" as you put it? >> >> I would simply block the creators old email addresses. Easy with >> Mailman. I thought that would be a good and easy approach, but maybe I'm >> wrong. >> >> Some believes it is possible that the email could be genuine. Some say >> that only the content is important. I have closely followed. An >> interesting discussion. Thank you all so far. >> >> But let's say the poster would be the real Satoshi. Would we discuss his >> posting if he would not claim to be Satoshi? There are a lot of smart >> people on this list, which publish occasionally quite useful ideas. But >> much of this is hardly the subject of greater discussion. Especially not >> when it comes to the blocksize. On this subject almost everything has >> been already said. But not yet by everyone. Especially not by Satoshi. >> >> Satoshi would have a decisive influence on the community. I'm sure. To >> say it does not matter who's talking is maybe genteelly but a little bit >> remote from everyday life. Or not? Satoshi is the creator. What he says >> is in the newspaper and is perceived by all. If he says it's okay to do >> nothing as long as we stand together, then people have the courage to do >> maybe something dangerous or something wrong. Then people only follow >> their hearts. Otherwise they follow their fear. It is a paradox of the >> human nature that some type of Dictatorship can make you free. I say >> some type, not any type. Enough said. >> >> - oliver >> >> --001a1135ffb0b72f6c051d948e63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My interpretation is that he's saying Satoshi wouldn't be welcome t= o return as Satoshi, because whatever he did/said would inevitably end up b= eing treated with authority, which shouldn't be the case.<= br>
On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev <<= a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> wrote:

I honestly don't understand your position, but I get the sense= that you are suggesting Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return if he wa= nted to be active in development again?

Warren

On Aug 17, 2015 1:38 PM, "Oliver Egginger&q= uot; <bitcoin@olivere.de> wrote:
Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb= Warren Togami Jr.:
> This bitcoin-dev list restarted with an empty subscriber list on June<= br> > 21st, 2015.=C2=A0 So whoever posted from sato= shi@vistomail.com
> <mailto:satoshi@vistomail.com> subs= cribed and verified the address
> recently.=C2=A0 Do you propose that we manually approve new subscriber= s to
> prevent these kind of "abuses" as you put it?

I would simply block the creators old email addresses. Easy with
Mailman. I thought that would be a good and easy approach, but maybe I'= m
wrong.

Some believes it is possible that the email could be genuine. Some say
that only the content is important. I have closely followed. An
interesting discussion. Thank you all so far.

But let's say the poster would be the real Satoshi. Would we discuss hi= s
posting if he would not claim to be Satoshi? There are a lot of smart
people on this list, which publish occasionally quite useful ideas. But
much of this is hardly the subject of greater discussion. Especially not when it comes to the blocksize. On this subject almost everything has
been already said. But not yet by everyone. Especially not by Satoshi.

Satoshi would have a decisive influence on the community. I'm sure. To<= br> say it does not matter who's talking is maybe genteelly but a little bi= t
remote from everyday life. Or not? Satoshi is the creator. What he says
is in the newspaper and is perceived by all. If he says it's okay to do=
nothing as long as we stand together, then people have the courage to do maybe something dangerous or something wrong. Then people only follow
their hearts. Otherwise they follow their fear. It is a paradox of the
human nature that some type of Dictatorship can make you free. I say
some type, not any type. Enough said.

- oliver

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