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From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:13:35 -0400
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To: Billy Tetrud <billy.tetrud@gmail.com>
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Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Towards a means of measuring user support for
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>
>
> Have you taken a look at my proposal
> <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-March/020146.html>?
> The proposal is, to be clear, *not* "voting" but rather polling that isn't
> programmatically connected to activation. The intention is for people
> (developers) to look at the polling results and make an educated analysis
> of it as far as how it should contribute to consensus gathering.
>

it's cool, and i agree it's somewhat censorship resistant


> Let's say everyone who participates in polling broadcasts it along the
> bitcoin network (a separate network would probably be better, so as to not
> interfere with normal bitcoin, but I digress),
>

right, anyone can then publish a json file with polling aggregates at a
certain block height and anyone can quickly check to see if they are lying
or missing data


> Similar structures could be added to any script configuration to allow
> signing of polls without any significant exposure.
>

rubin's suggestion around tapscript anon voting could help with anonymity

.... all of this is cool ...

but it doesn't address the "what about people who don't know there's a vote
going on"  or other the other social issues with "weighted polling" in
general, like how nonexperts can "have a say" when they simply don't
understand the relevant issues.  i personally feel like i'm "only a very
little bit up on the issues" and i have more tech knowledge than most
people i know

also, it will just be a poll of "people who pay attention to the dev list
and maybe some irc rooms"

might be worth experimenting with... but unless there's a great ux around
the tooling my guess is that it won't garner a lot of meaningful data:

open source, simple cli, gitian build, installs easily on all platforms,
works well with bitcoind rpc, works with ledger, can import a seed, etc.

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e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br><br></div><div>Have you taken =
a look at <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-de=
v/2022-March/020146.html" target=3D"_blank">my proposal</a>? The proposal i=
s, to be clear, *not* &quot;voting&quot; but rather polling that isn&#39;t =
programmatically connected to activation. The intention is for people (deve=
lopers) to look at the polling results and make an educated analysis of it =
as far as how it should contribute to consensus gathering.=C2=A0</div></div=
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hat censorship resistant</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Let&#39;s say everyone who part=
icipates in polling broadcasts it along the bitcoin network (a separate net=
work would probably be better, so as to not interfere with normal bitcoin, =
but I digress), </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>right, anyone =
can then publish a json file with polling aggregates at a certain block hei=
ght and anyone can quickly check to see if they are lying or missing data<b=
r>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
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"ltr"><div>Similar structures could be added to any script configuration to=
 allow signing of polls without any significant exposure.<br></div></div></=
blockquote><div><div><br></div>rubin&#39;s suggestion around tapscript=C2=
=A0anon voting could help with anonymity<br>=C2=A0<br>.... all of this is c=
ool ...</div><div><br></div><div>but it doesn&#39;t address the &quot;what =
about people who don&#39;t know there&#39;s a vote going on&quot;=C2=A0 or =
other the other social issues with &quot;weighted polling&quot; in general,=
 like how nonexperts can &quot;have a say&quot; when they simply don&#39;t =
understand the relevant issues.=C2=A0 i personally feel like i&#39;m &quot;=
only a very little bit up on the issues&quot; and i have more tech knowledg=
e than most people i know<br><br>also, it will just be a poll of &quot;peop=
le who pay attention to the dev list and maybe some irc rooms&quot;<br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v>might be worth experimenting with... but unless there&#39;s a great ux ar=
ound the tooling my guess is that it won&#39;t garner a lot of meaningful d=
ata:</div><div><br></div><div>open source, simple cli, gitian build, instal=
ls easily on all platforms, works well with bitcoind rpc, works with ledger=
, can import a seed, etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><=
/div></div></div>

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