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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 12:28:58 -0700
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From: "Warren Togami Jr." <wtogami@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Separated bitcoin-consensus mailing list (was Re:
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FYI, a few developers including Wladimir, Greg, Peter Todd, Pieter, and
Alex Morcos have been discussing what to do about improving the signal
noise ratio on bitcoin-dev list.  One proposal similar to this discussion
was to split it into multiple mailing lists.  It was pointed out that the
less technical Bitcoin discussion list already existed in the past and
nobody used it.  Generally the discussion went away from creating yet
another mailing list and toward instituting an on-topic guidelines for
bitcoin-dev.  Gavin, Wladimir, and a few of the others agreed to a simple
few paragraphs written by Alex Morcos.  IIRC Wladimir agreed to post it.
Has it been posted yet?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com> wrote:
> > bitcoin-dev for protocol discussion and bitcoin-core for Bitcoin Core
> > discussion?
>
> Well -dev or both, I dont particularly see a difference at the moment,
> and establishing two lists isnt really going to make a difference so
> long as Bitcoin Core is the reference client, which it is by defacto.
> The risk of having too many lists is interested stakeholders will miss
> a discussions. Normal protocol and core discussions are usually pretty
> low volume in any case.
>
> > As Jorge notes, a general discussion list has existed for a long time
> with
> > little use.
>
> I would suggest it's only because there havent been any rules for -dev
> that would force general discussion over to the bitcoin list. On IRC
> we regularly tell people in #bitcoin-dev they are OT and ask them to
> move to #bitcoin and as a result, -dev remains quite clear of chit
> chat, #bitcoin has a steady stream of general chatter.
>
> We could reduce the OT/noise of bitcoin-dev list considerably by
> offloading the non-technical/academic debate to the bitcoin list. It
> just needs a bit of shepherding. I am more than happy to help out.
> Especially if the list already exists, we should consider making a
> decision now.
>
> Who are the moderators for that list? Do we really want to use
> sourceforge or are there alternatives, like another list on
> linuxfoundation?
>
> ping @Warren.
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr">FYI, a few developers including Wladimir, Greg, Peter Todd=
, Pieter, and Alex Morcos have been discussing what to do about improving t=
he signal noise ratio on bitcoin-dev list.=C2=A0 One proposal similar to th=
is discussion was to split it into multiple mailing lists.=C2=A0 It was poi=
nted out that the less technical Bitcoin discussion list already existed in=
 the past and nobody used it.=C2=A0 Generally the discussion went away from=
 creating yet another mailing list and toward instituting an on-topic guide=
lines for bitcoin-dev.=C2=A0 Gavin, Wladimir, and a few of the others agree=
d to a simple few paragraphs written by Alex Morcos.=C2=A0 IIRC Wladimir ag=
reed to post it.=C2=A0 Has it been posted yet?<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Btc Drak via=
 bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linu=
xfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Wed, Aug 19,=
 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff Garzik &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">jgarzik@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; bitcoin-dev for protocol discussion and bitcoin-core for Bitcoin Core<=
br>
&gt; discussion?<br>
<br>
</span>Well -dev or both, I dont particularly see a difference at the momen=
t,<br>
and establishing two lists isnt really going to make a difference so<br>
long as Bitcoin Core is the reference client, which it is by defacto.<br>
The risk of having too many lists is interested stakeholders will miss<br>
a discussions. Normal protocol and core discussions are usually pretty<br>
low volume in any case.<br>
<span><br>
&gt; As Jorge notes, a general discussion list has existed for a long time =
with<br>
&gt; little use.<br>
<br>
</span>I would suggest it&#39;s only because there havent been any rules fo=
r -dev<br>
that would force general discussion over to the bitcoin list. On IRC<br>
we regularly tell people in #bitcoin-dev they are OT and ask them to<br>
move to #bitcoin and as a result, -dev remains quite clear of chit<br>
chat, #bitcoin has a steady stream of general chatter.<br>
<br>
We could reduce the OT/noise of bitcoin-dev list considerably by<br>
offloading the non-technical/academic debate to the bitcoin list. It<br>
just needs a bit of shepherding. I am more than happy to help out.<br>
Especially if the list already exists, we should consider making a<br>
decision now.<br>
<br>
Who are the moderators for that list? Do we really want to use<br>
sourceforge or are there alternatives, like another list on<br>
linuxfoundation?<br>
<br>
ping @Warren.<br>
<div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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