Return-Path: <gavinandresen@gmail.com> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F6F259 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:33:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-lf0-f53.google.com (mail-lf0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26CA0192 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lffz202 with SMTP id z202so67272334lff.3 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:33:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OpcJr/GaZ9gQqbwP/ILVqhhlBEK46Tb9dJJudPmQt/c=; b=IYAyMLFGlVQC+HtvlGhMQi2Bhg6GWHB4KTHUE/L+pQv50spar6BO8v4si5MHGUEygz mXpLtTYrfcbhvLt3/zLIKf7wfsWRa7bi/0J2eTCA9IOuDhOKJCM2AuXBDR4J+dW8T3rB z6UxBEA+B75LAgkPX4ZKoRplpTJ5zP98nMVtAV5mC5ZHvUktJdbM4t+Qx+I0EO4DRlVz 7IMZctBO8tnEmi4lwd8Kgke+CMbTqlFUDO1A3ziBuyYSC/AHqbM5bAkfxZ9IqfxM4aUI JdEZ6HRaLP+nQgY7xwIIJbHubxgk4ep5ZX0gd9k5MNpKRH3p40hZanlloeZzM51JODd+ Befw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.29.129 with SMTP id d123mr7317968lfd.4.1446496427608; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.22.146 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:33:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAE-z3OWJ8YvXU5aGqgs9VJnW99va=0=FoObmpHS3irg4Kh6wrQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CABsx9T0Evf3B_NtmdKxc_M1xRQh-jSC4JzTHCx8Ez9RzCypvMg@mail.gmail.com> <df48a2c44441f39c71579aa5e474ec38@xbt.hk> <CAE-z3OWJ8YvXU5aGqgs9VJnW99va=0=FoObmpHS3irg4Kh6wrQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <CABsx9T3w-=bqbfmG=gVxJ8SQZCoEXA7vQbFD+kC2CH36bd=xPw@mail.gmail.com> From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> To: Tier Nolan <tier.nolan@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11402e1ebc924c052394b1a8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Compatibility requirements for hard or soft forks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:33:50 -0000 --001a11402e1ebc924c052394b1a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tier Nolan via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > For guidelines > > * Transaction version numbers will be increased, if possible > * Transactions with unknown/large version numbers are unsafe to use with > locktime > * Reasonable notice is given that the change is being contemplated > * Non-opt-in changes will only be to protect the integrity of the network > > Locked transaction that can be validated without excessive load on the > network should be safe to use, even if non-standard. > > An OP_CAT script that requires TBs of RAM to validate crosses the > threshold of reasonableness. > I like those guidelines, although I'm sure there may be lots of arguing over what fits under "protects the integrity of the network" or what constitutes "reasonable notice" (publish a BIP at least 30 days before rolling out a change? 60 days? a year?) -- -- Gavin Andresen --001a11402e1ebc924c052394b1a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S= un, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tier Nolan via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank= ">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol= id;padding-left:1ex"><div>For guidelines<br><br></div><div>* Transaction ve= rsion numbers will be increased, if possible<br></div><div>* Transactions w= ith unknown/large version numbers are unsafe to use with locktime<br></div>= <div>* Reasonable notice is given that the change is being contemplated<br>= </div><div>* Non-opt-in changes will only be to protect the integrity of th= e network<br><br>Locked transaction that can be validated without excessive= load on the network should be safe to use, even if non-standard.<br></div>= <div><br></div><div>An OP_CAT script that requires TBs of RAM to validate c= rosses the threshold of reasonableness.=C2=A0 <br></div><div></div></blockq= uote></div><br>I like those guidelines, although I'm sure there may be = lots of arguing over what fits under "protects the integrity of the ne= twork" or what constitutes "reasonable notice" (publish a BI= P at least 30 days before rolling out a change? 60 days? a year?)</div><div= class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"= >--<br>Gavin Andresen<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><br></div> </div></div> --001a11402e1ebc924c052394b1a8--