Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <will.yager@gmail.com>) id 1Wzpff-0001KD-O1 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:03:39 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.53; envelope-from=will.yager@gmail.com; helo=mail-qa0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wzpfd-0001jx-UG for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:03:39 +0000 Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j15so1737483qaq.12 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.79.138 with SMTP id p10mr12988732qak.36.1403712212254; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.255.130.140] ([65.115.226.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r3sm6560391qal.8.2014.06.25.09.03.31 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-EAE33E3D-60A2-4A54-9795-3930EF85BD0F; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gmail <will.yager@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) In-Reply-To: <CAJna-HiRChr4M9QL_7ZeKQeV7m5M4-ysnERB1DmK1itJMaGucQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:03:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <C355A933-5045-4202-82A2-034F89862E39@gmail.com> References: <CANEZrP3iyQ9zQ+hDnooxrjdBO+_Fj+nAkK1Skgk+Gb4gkidPhQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAJHLa0Omiz+UhGjSKgYU7+b2YY7aN23w7o8CQntqMePFs7LkjA@mail.gmail.com> <CANEZrP06gk-JhKaNpvYUTfjFq9AGnCay9=pjUGpVMjMSuX3_ew@mail.gmail.com> <CAJna-HhX8HOci0KMe4ZScr4QW792S3n5twvU0QhbQe1N_3q7_w@mail.gmail.com> <6E6F88E9-5698-419B-927C-F65A5FCABBE9@gmail.com> <CAJHLa0PYfuJg3daPvzPFZpFz7ezH2RHpJ8zyz2g1NDKppM7rWA@mail.gmail.com> <BBF86C9B-6B3D-4A03-AC7B-35619C47091F@gmail.com> <CABsx9T13yksenx5aYd4HVqTyVjARx9aTHy=Neu64p6k9FnRRVw@mail.gmail.com> <C95DB811-9E6A-4EA2-AE8F-83595C3AC817@gmail.com> <CANEZrP0ce4MMX2hOhcGVWt23L_CMn6Cmj9_Okqd0BR9seQXJew@mail.gmail.com> <CAJna-HiRChr4M9QL_7ZeKQeV7m5M4-ysnERB1DmK1itJMaGucQ@mail.gmail.com> To: slush <slush@centrum.cz> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (will.yager[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Wzpfd-0001jx-UG Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposed BIP 70 extension X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:03:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail-EAE33E3D-60A2-4A54-9795-3930EF85BD0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Jun 25, 2014, at 10:15, slush <slush@centrum.cz> wrote: > Good standard must be explicit as much as possible. Having million optiona= l fields with ambiguous meaning is even worse than not having these fields. +1. BIP70 is important. 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