Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vh50J-0005kb-S0 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:03:11 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of bitpay.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; envelope-from=jgarzik@bitpay.com; helo=mail-wg0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Vh50I-0008De-Pk for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:03:11 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b13so2742417wgh.8 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=I3CG124Kn1uP818NaX6ED01WzDrJfbupH6eL0S6l/Pk=; b=MXyBUeanmCL62ElFvRlVt8KkAIJPtAA0Kv2hXNBglUD5y/FowtvBsKpmvpYBpC3vX+ K3F2Ivy5xiFgruVu+HRopfdvVgs/UNZZeSaXP422dCaJPrVWMiTUb1axpX1nzGsxr7fs c2ufrpW2XVUZ/zY6a47uWXHLWxU0BCQFNOG4T6j4vfBm0fVvmfB9Iq2XsS00ROeHG9oX 3NaiAOE9TR9/mNBIxKVbvMLFj/Du6yQhaiaTs3CpxRT5qkzm3+xHYlPQ3Ypi9SRh6KKb /mOHkI6i/ru8X1Zsf+6Frbr8YS2IB5cyrhTeRtMfc4Q4jtpvcE5FKzGdsc/V4FcytjQF l9QQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk8tlIC6RVLVpSMKxg1Q7CmT4KQajj4WnUvLR62FNJdQFtuRsat4HFW9GwT22ibl+yHRa37 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.104 with SMTP id p8mr4155720wjq.1.1384466584091; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.164.164 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.164.164 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:03:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jeff Garzik To: Mark Friedenbach Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba97804f2dcdc04eb2a3e04 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. 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[URIs: doubleclick.net] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Vh50I-0008De-Pk Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:03:12 -0000 --047d7ba97804f2dcdc04eb2a3e04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Go straight to uBTC. Humans and existing computer systems handle numbers to the left of the decimals just fine (HK Dollars, Yen). The opposite is untrue (QuickBooks really does not like 3+ decimal places). - Jeff On Nov 14, 2013 4:40 PM, "Mark Friedenbach" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > For this reason I'm in favor of skipping mBTC and moving straight to > uBTC. Having eight, or even five decimal places is not intuitive to > the average user. Two decimal places is becoming standard for new > national currencies, and we wouldn't be too far from human scale > everyday numbers: 25.00uBTC ~= $0.01 currently. And I don't think very > many people on this list would consider bitcoin overvalued in the long > term perspective. > > Better to go through a confusing renumbering only once. > > Mark > > On 11/14/13 12:01 PM, Alan Reiner wrote: > > ... I'm also of the opinion that it's freakin' hard to change the > > base unit in such an established system. 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Go straight to uBTC. Humans and existing computer systems handle numbers= to the left of the decimals just fine (HK Dollars, Yen). The opposite is u= ntrue (QuickBooks really does not like 3+ decimal places).

=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Jeff

On Nov 14, 2013 4:40 PM, "Mark Friedenbach&= quot; <mark@monetize.io> wrot= e:
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For this reason I'm in favor of skipping mBTC and moving straight to uBTC. Having eight, or even five decimal places is not intuitive to
the average user. Two decimal places is becoming standard for new
national currencies, and we wouldn't be too far from human scale
everyday numbers: 25.00uBTC ~=3D $0.01 currently. And I don't think ver= y
many people on this list would consider bitcoin overvalued in the long
term perspective.

Better to go through a confusing renumbering only once.

Mark

On 11/14/13 12:01 PM, Alan Reiner wrote:
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