Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63621273 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:14:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outbound.mailhostbox.com (outbound.mailhostbox.com [162.222.225.11]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B42E1 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (1.tor.exit.babylon.network [149.202.98.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: s7r@sky-ip.org) by outbound.mailhostbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 373CD1A188D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:14:38 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky-ip.org; s=20110108; t=1444817680; bh=6yR+nr8HoYtWF/RUGPqeu2A0HcAJFwYBuLEU9Yj/MTA=; h=Reply-To:To:From:Subject:Date; b=WeuvJL4F+8D+SYbqRsJR6MnaHfdPQ5l5M+A3EDK6A1HOkJpw1VbngYwWZUiQlaLk+ DVqGPZLTA+NOsjSXkJ7XHfl78p9lUdqHnO8eb0/IpYADXSQNOBLihCppWRVkFcZ4ac N1maEi7HXZYTSFsTucnqZKkyaPfvYKp+8mfb3Lls= Reply-To: s7r@sky-ip.org To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org From: s7r Message-ID: <561E2B09.3090509@sky-ip.org> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:14:33 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=IPz/cVbG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=LriYrpPHjiOxvXxWwTSOJg==:117 a=LriYrpPHjiOxvXxWwTSOJg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=K_KwrihZpuZ5xc2wKwsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 172.18.214.92 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,URIBL_BLACK autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Lightning Network's effect on miner fees X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:14:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello, I am reading about the Lightning Network and the BIPs which need to be deployed until it can be fully functional. I have to say it's a neat solution to scale and have almost instant transactions in a peer 2 peer, distributed and trustless way. I already knows what the needed BIPs are and what each one does, I am curios about the impact this will have on miner fees. If transactions happen in a big percent offchain, and they are only broadcasted on the mainchain where funds are moved in or out of the lightning network, this means there will be less transactions on the mainchain -> less fees collected by the miners. What will happen when the block reward will go away? Either the fees for the little amount of onchain transactions will increase to unpractical levels, either the miners will find it not profitable to keep their hardware plugged in to mine, so will leave and the effect will be that the hashing power of the network will decrease. Since the network's hashing power is a security feature (it makes some attacks impossible or insanely expensive) I think it's important to anticipate what will happen in this scenario. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWHisJAAoJEIN/pSyBJlsRQfgH/05DTVd+oUNeBt6LzitY/b2a b4Ubky0vWE5fa7sHxcfMQz4g4dPVKrDrMrpJsx2aY6D8a14tXzHsgyyRqJSZlHZh CUYvuy+HVje5wSwYRRIFEI+yyJLRrxJYLQuTqd9u/5kpL91Qq1cgzGr9BQgz20vb tDEP3Z0/08XeUPFA8ZxwjUptfzypVl0euIjsa2bFNFAWN9UYcDqKc0MnqgCYRTx3 F/cm1NVmtFdpE2srTXVOqC0nTdfhHjnd1zmfRpPq0ZZoG43U81PbzC0kZmdz6rkt kUrtzKEDRLs12FNPVMrNnsHvRpScqoxIelubSvR8U3xrtIHkG9bpYO9EMqX6O4I= =+sdq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----