Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BEEDB44 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 01:07:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wr0-f182.google.com (mail-wr0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14074F1 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 01:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f182.google.com with SMTP id u108so128537841wrb.3 for ; Mon, 06 Mar 2017 17:07:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=fa1654Rj/yHavMfKGExNgV6RW43WgPMu5Ys3B4k9Hgc=; b=fNdJT3tR+BLh2BKGaMN35RR1MQZEqwVCaMMKOLK2bLDavhbEcoHVUY2GV3doMVw02j oilYtVuaSp9Zq2mRcjCg8Qo1MVLnOOeSJLIPs2n/P/qt1eILh2axN5npF66wPhAbmceG 6aHTy51R/mBfLia2IuYEXWxwPMwfzMvCI8M3VUDUYVQRQKHhkFaANDUypMDoomlzH3aE WAN4HAP91gTQDEZJ6HefExFwd0EIDGbI28Yiu+EEVwzLq4Qrl1qTsTVyTdMlfJaaho6Q ho+v+LID8kZbcJjp87g3kGtJZWgWy8w4b689LnyXLY/zIauN/tYQzpA0rrqwRDGzaIC6 LOGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fa1654Rj/yHavMfKGExNgV6RW43WgPMu5Ys3B4k9Hgc=; b=q+nsLvqKuf1AEtMuK3soYX3iibJYEGP3oxH0s7u9A45i6AJ/fyXifRIszjk9XSXYnS qaSKIPrFPdipiAjj2fQvx2/iAAVm9UsgV7tVLdlxlTQHwdon/lJSJ1P9nVNHpNVo3VTJ BpQ8oOBWJvY2mjKJYT6IUg3E4chUFzxvPKOTLH10AYKiWRYlAWkcl81uZVQqCpMtWD1y h/IoeY3qF4kkiTZ/21PX06d6c4ISpYa0PJTQy6iQ3pyGrHK2QdMpqPt4sdY4WX4bKIrn CX1V1weNUinICEYk8SUlQssjJ76zzE1tmNZfFqK2e1n+JqyMEeoNKCPBLder3ZQfTl4S sPOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39msFx4LE4ennmcaLX5idabWvb8WOgGPEXH7kThfehPKxX4606o/zPoMy3bqVvVfpTPUFGACg8tKG7MoPg== X-Received: by 10.223.170.210 with SMTP id i18mr18264702wrc.114.1488848825604; Mon, 06 Mar 2017 17:07:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: edmund.edgar@gmail.com Received: by 10.80.163.187 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:07:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <964E4801-234F-4E30-A040-2C63274D27F2@posteo.net> References: <0ba5bf9c-5578-98ce-07ae-036d0d71046b@riseup.net> <964E4801-234F-4E30-A040-2C63274D27F2@posteo.net> From: Edmund Edgar Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:07:05 +0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9GYDnqMORHtVVOtaJlLUSxc1a8Y Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 01:15:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Moving towards user activated soft fork activation X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 01:07:08 -0000 On 7 March 2017 at 08:23, Gareth Williams wrote: > What you're describing is a hashpower activated soft fork to censor transactions, in response to a user activated soft fork that the majority of hashpower disagrees with. Well, they'd be censoring transactions to prevent the thing from activating in the first place. (As opposed to censoring a subset of those transactions to enforce the new rule, which is the behaviour that the people promoting the change want.) There would be no point at which people reasonably expected that something useful would happen if they sent funds to an address protected by the new scripting rule. > Bitcoin only works if the majority of hashpower is not hostile to the users. This is true. But what we're talking about here is hostility to *a particular proposal to change the network rules* which is (in this hypothetical case) supported by the economic majority of users. This doesn't, in itself, break Bitcoin, although the economic majority are of course always free to hard-fork to something new if they're unhappy. Edmund -- -- Edmund Edgar Founder, Social Minds Inc (KK) Twitter: @edmundedgar Linked In: edmundedgar Skype: edmundedgar http://www.socialminds.jp Reality Keys @realitykeys ed@realitykeys.com https://www.realitykeys.com