Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 874F3C0C for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 20:27:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com (mail-qg0-f43.google.com [209.85.192.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19BBF19F for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 20:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id u110so52326379qge.3 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:27:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CzonQ78XwfHWZxoxGsh2R6C9JcFonX+HRSO9BwdOBjY=; b=EOPlSpjsPipa5cZry6UcucktYBxFiw8bN2Uuf8KBi+nSwKAMe0MVZjt5E9JX0Epif7 ZoFWxv8clBZTAgyzvUcUy4gEaAnVRV9JOggO7TUuNId529X9TAcKN863VC3/WXFzcUt1 YLfLi8gWEz9HonHWBa7I8IHLr3Y6wz4+PtUToTAmEjCBJeRFIhS3gGlYp7j8T/2rVY2P p34NSYcs7kANVSx96Q7Kd8MLlYsWIBLfM4cnicLfYRXd6GowC4giqOQR6DTRXqTsEVfd yWQezM+4q6Yg7/bQ9exqEhL4YBjOuXko4y+2AdER1o73Ync1G5OdnAVRgmyxXGJTvL+W 1lyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CzonQ78XwfHWZxoxGsh2R6C9JcFonX+HRSO9BwdOBjY=; b=VF79mubJ2mhDJROoE7yyqgFJYOUWLAH1eH1ZLMrlMNq8RDZMrl0LfpSzrk/LRMXvkl 2CDRsQNTUzwJlpTymZZG5m9xXzcGTO2vE3kzxrXyPl5OmTQVBvjh3nbBt8Lio2q+lCnW Y9MEsWCZ+8MyE6dt9ljsBtHw9q5KytErmMQsyxSOTbyxKqlXDupmW54g5h6VdWNNsUV+ E8DEum6XgtWmAod10MbJhYB3gNFa2rm77YO34MTuDybcDl34T5viKVDQ4eMglYRWfoch 0xx0lV3nKBqfdPIQCHVDWQPm11dpvqDWHMo/mCRjmNimk+fu6Zycumb54yKIYjI5EmlY Vg5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLEEBpZoaie3x7+rBv2IS8Ol2li9Sp8hdQaXWpYFbu0fH3Aw5U35u7UgszEAqqCzA== X-Received: by 10.140.91.245 with SMTP id z108mr179505qgd.99.1457555223147; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net. [69.117.250.141]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c18sm129834qgd.49.2016.03.09.12.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:27:01 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Hudson , Bob McElrath References: <201603021456.15820.luke@dashjr.org> <5E6E8EFD-2BC0-47F6-8005-5A63821C4276@hashingit.com> <20160308220507.GA4388@mcelrath.org> <26355E0C-1DDC-4CBD-A044-788C9C135EA6@hashingit.com> From: Paul Sztorc Message-ID: <56E08707.8090306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:26:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26355E0C-1DDC-4CBD-A044-788C9C135EA6@hashingit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:45:17 +0000 Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hardfork to fix difficulty drop algorithm X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:27:04 -0000 On 3/9/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Hudson via bitcoin-dev wrote: > The hash rate has jumped up by almost 70% in the last 6 to 7 months and= that implies some pretty serious investments by miners who are quite awa= re of the halving. There are a few ways in which that information would be irrelevant: [1.] It is possible that miners expect to breakeven before the halving. [2.] It is also possible that miners earnestly believe that there will be no problem -- however: =2E.. [2a.] This belief may be mistaken. =2E.. [2b.] Miners may be counting on Core Devs to fix any problems that= come up with anything, this one included. Also, [3.] many miners believe that the price will increase around the time of the halving, either for market-microstructure reasons or marketing reasons. I, personally, think that the price is as likely to go down as up. On 3/9/2016 1:30 PM, Dave Hudson via bitcoin-dev wrote: > These same miners were mining with a coin price around $250 last year s= o in terms of profitability I'm pretty sure that one around $400 won't be= a huge concern. For some miners, currently it costs $X in electricity per coin mined, and $400 / 2 is less than X. I do not know how representative this information is. Paul