Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XLE1f-00014R-1G for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:18:47 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from [80.67.31.103] (helo=smtprelay06.ispgateway.de) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1XLE1V-000393-RN for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:18:46 +0000 Received: from [89.13.166.17] (helo=anonymous) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1XLE11-0000Gk-Jt for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:18:07 +0200 From: xor To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1569765.oHsHtFYAhh@1337h4x0r> Organization: Freenet Project User-Agent: KMail/4.13.2 (Linux/3.13.0-34-generic; KDE/4.13.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <53F3DFF7.9070709@jrn.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2456399.g0Fx2jpmjh"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: eG9yQGZyZWVtYWlsLmJvZ2VydC5kZQ== X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.67.31.103 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 1.0 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Headers-End: 1XLE1V-000393-RN Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Encrypt bitcoin messages X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: xor@freenetproject.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:18:47 -0000 --nextPart2456399.g0Fx2jpmjh Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 07:40:39 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: > Encryption is of little value if you may deduce the same information > by observing packet sizes and timings. Instead of spawning a discussion whether this aspect is a reason to NOT encrypt, you should do the obvious: Fix that as well. X being broken is not a reason for not fixing Y. Pad the then encrypted packets with random bytes. The fact that they are encrypted makes them look like random data already, so the padding will not be distinguishable from the rest. Also, add some random bias to their timing. And besides: It would be nice if everyone could acknowledge that making Bitcoin as anonymous as possible is a natural desire. People demanding you to do this is bound to happen over and over again until you do it :) So just get on with it instead of postponing it due to doubts. There is Tor, there is Freenet, and there are other anonymous P2P networks, and they can help you do get it done - the said problems have been well-known there for quite some time and people have thought about how to solve them. Greetings, xor, a developer of https://freenetproject.org --nextPart2456399.g0Fx2jpmjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCAAGBQJT+L67AAoJEMtmZ+8tjWt5aB0QAJ0WlHu9W6reqsU5pX8ZLOdz hRfTDwrDd1qcWmdg5VBe1z1Xr3M6ZasJl5uqblkbTJchvPgViajEMjdn5anaGcZB qh60blCLTX0R4rA+UnF/8gaC3GuMGCCjD63pPzkryIPHpcZZPXADjOxfQkSHWETF 3eTeVAA47Er2NyrRa+ay1qqxfecyQzrDvtqz1infxEiD6NCxx8/4lI6mi3LdyXBW jMZuryxDWtmp/v5SMpRHeJjkyiCbheHAmJBZykh2EkRO5L9Anu27FJ+MPDCuKhVv V1Z0mB3nl60Kl6fwLU+M1Moe/sMpXnkcY2cYNbMKB5NYCEG4OyoriBc+EXG+tINv aPzZ31Im/I5bBGrw+y4r+DUcLFzeZ6VIJ4i7oAtbeFpLhWEqcUrcB2rrTMwBothn gzy0Wr6x8AJO3pGSn2CODGTbIUKlWpiNJ+zu0CNQhvhOZAL+pmK1H1DoDBXly9Cx 2KAEnyoQVVc2U6l0PZcyGkHuE66pqeYjdtZpf58jIr8abufb1q/i8Y6x4STIwj0d GamLFzwcDcHngHATidaSYts8w/NV7bALeZh7RG8B5wXtqfTvXlPNfLpR9OTnJt5b KhopF5ppG3gE3TMLt9ZIVgB0u6wibCRuqgNT2R6kaknDayitHn+5xiaFjxobJ2RU h2p+f5vL7F5OkVVlZgoT =wNLD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2456399.g0Fx2jpmjh--