Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A79C002D for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846C6840BF for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 846C6840BF Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=chia.net header.i=@chia.net header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=google header.b=gRYyUuKh X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMsu4iT9h3tY for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 779A284097 Received: from mail-yb1-xb34.google.com (mail-yb1-xb34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b34]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 779A284097 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb34.google.com with SMTP id 136so1942795ybl.5 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 10:36:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chia.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q+a0WfHFrVBD3oz1dOb1LO7bEk7NFi7NdbcKLhZRbxY=; b=gRYyUuKh9P/VW9FMzGHwtxW0/XZaE5a4JVmtAyDjnRettSuEbgBGk9PDYA2klSXcEn cBpqNZEZ5PsbdhrOstvslBIQCalOu5fJ3xs2LPWn2HbtezuEwIFR9ojuzhouLwxJBflp z1DFd5Ls14+GhE4UQjlYKo83B5kT3RcAnnA1LXM/1TLNGDud+OdPHj1HKGiqj0LKiP1B IkPmFOzBDbQ48CnM7qXXVxzaC2lV9IOmgVY8tk9wfwSY2D1fSWcYZgXB7ZbCGIylvyVV KJqjPyhk6pJXasfJR1iU/z4yEzaitDO+duVcoMwFeTtLgWaoQJUqyY5TVhZAvpOgBcWZ 8KdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=q+a0WfHFrVBD3oz1dOb1LO7bEk7NFi7NdbcKLhZRbxY=; b=1Eb85HL8AXx4V+zslZDQ9GcNaonGa4WAYGBEuUYV+VgcXUiCqGNhixVpJ7InzHcsD6 ykUTt1KBhVlXLtWdi2ZtMKn+M261UcJreE/3PyOkMGiVVnZJzK9ep3GGoPxvkLJWu0Nx KDN9P/e2gmhbDHA3zMLM4RogIKnXp0KGgTqKxeSeSb74NlIi6FiKiSvn+V5/AZUNYhd+ /5QRQCNmIvu/QQUe7r0TJ/aPOaU/T5eW+GrukNSXmxJL0uIiFqF1ZT9vpV4Vr6iGdURH kXIyO6iVLRAwpIwuDQ08pXoAleIrOS5tfdN5QkrO4hp0SGZJszpqmJpUcrUwvuuKAWvl mIuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8zn72hp3GGQdfEbttiM2UYGmAeMAEIaHqNh+yN6/1XJ/oZf7gu LuyvwviggCEhIVoXbUd9MKhg722bnutYcdulo1urFwBUb10= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1s6aaK+t1rBE5a0o2rBHwD3E8O6wXsBZkQIUdw+J6fZwSUMQr4iSFuO5NFjDA9R98hCliMTzuX99f7AvPzqyfw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:54f:b0:66c:a098:339d with SMTP id z15-20020a056902054f00b0066ca098339dmr52265884ybs.116.1657215397355; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0dc0e945-9e12-43ad-bd12-fcc0e18e4013@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0dc0e945-9e12-43ad-bd12-fcc0e18e4013@www.fastmail.com> From: Bram Cohen Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:36:26 -0700 Message-ID: To: Anton Shevchenko , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001378a805e33a87c9" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:41:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] No Order Mnemonic X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:36:39 -0000 --0000000000001378a805e33a87c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 7:43 AM Anton Shevchenko via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > I made a python implementation for a different mnemonic encoding. The > encoding requires user to remember words but not the order of those words. > The code is open (MIT license) at https://github.com/sancoder/noomnem Thanks Anton. There's an interesting mathematical question of whether it's possible to make a code like this which always uses the BIP-39 words for the same key as part of its encoding, basically adding a few words as error correction in case the order is lost or confused. If the BIP-39 contains a duplicate you can add an extra word. --0000000000001378a805e33a87c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 7:43 AM Anton Shev= chenko via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
I = made a python implementation for a different mnemonic encoding. The encodin= g requires user to remember words but not the order of those words.
The code is open (MIT license) at https://github.com/sancoder/noo= mnem

Thanks Anton. There's an inter= esting mathematical question of whether it's possible to make a code li= ke this which always uses the BIP-39 words for the same key as part of its = encoding, basically adding a few words as error correction in case the orde= r is lost or confused. If the BIP-39 contains a duplicate you can add an ex= tra word.
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