Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd35i-0000Rx-28 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:44:22 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from zinan.dashjr.org ([192.3.11.21]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Wd35g-00035Z-V4 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:44:22 +0000 Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:be5f:f4ff:febf:4f76]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21D29108019C; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:44:51 +0000 (UTC) From: "Luke-Jr" To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:44:13 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.12.6-gentoo; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <53581480.5060103@gk2.sk> In-Reply-To: <53581480.5060103@gk2.sk> X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201404231944.14256.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1Wd35g-00035Z-V4 Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] New BIP32 structure X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:44:22 -0000 On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:29:04 PM Pavol Rusnak wrote: > On 04/23/2014 09:00 PM, Tier Nolan wrote: > > The point is to have a single system that is compatible over a large > > number of systems. > > There is such system and it is called BIP32. > > On the other hand, in BIP64 we try to put a set of restrictions and > rules on top of BIP32. There will always be some special usecases where > BIP64 is not a good fit and there's no reason why you cannot use BIP32 > in a different manner using a different "purpose" field. > > Examples: Electrum does not want to use accounts and they start to use > scheme m/65'/change/address (where change = 0 or 1). Or Andreas > Schildbach wants to have refunds chain so he uses m/66'/chain/address > (where chain = 0, 1 or 2). > > We wanted to find one good solution that fits all, but unfortunately it > turned out everyone wants something a little bit different. Why do clients need to use the features in BIP 64? If Electrum doesn't want to use accounts, then it can just use account 0 for everything. Refund chains are definitely a third case that should be added to the external and internal/change address division... and a wallet not implementing refund addresses would simply not use that chain. Luke