Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C174273 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 16:37:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148107.authsmtp.com (outmail148107.authsmtp.com [62.13.148.107]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E0A4 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 16:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt18.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5RGbZl2059971; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:37:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from muck (cpe-74-66-142-58.nyc.res.rr.com [74.66.142.58]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5RGbVNt079895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:37:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:37:31 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Michael Naber Message-ID: <20150627163731.GA12820@muck> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Server-Quench: d0242a85-1cea-11e5-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAUUEkAaAgsB AmMbWlNeU1p7Wmc7 bA5PawNDY05MQQBi T01BRU1TWkFtY2tT YGBaUh57fwxDNn9y Z0dgECRbXkB4JE54 X08HQDwbZGY1bX0W BkdcagNUcgZDfk5E aVUrVz1vNG8XDSg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBHWx8 CjkXKkoVWksHVhU7 QggYGjAuBkBNWyJ7 MxwrYnQYG00Sen4z I1ZpfVMdMgN6 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 74.66.142.58/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Proposed Compromise to the Block Size Limit X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 16:37:41 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:09:16PM -0400, Michael Naber wrote: > The goal of Bitcoin Core is to meet the demand for global consensus as > effectively as possible. Please let's keep the conversation on how to best > meet that goal. Keep in mind that Andresen and Hearn both propose that the majority of Bitcoin users, even businesses, abandon the global consensus technology aspect of Bitcoin - running full nodes - and instead adopt trust technology instead - running SPV nodes. We're very much focused on meeting the demand for global consensus technology, but unfortunately global consensus is also has inherently O(n^2) scaling with current approaches available. Thus we have a fixed capacity system where access is mediated by supply and demand transaction fees. > The off-chain solutions you enumerate are are useful solutions in their > respective domains, but none of them solves the global consensus problem > with any greater efficiency than Bitcoin does. Solutions like (hub-and-spoke) payment channels, Lightning, etc. allow users of the global consensus technology in Bitcoin to use that technology in much more effcient ways, leveraging a relatively small amount of global consensus to do large numbers of transactions trustlessly. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 0000000000000000007fc13ce02072d9cb2a6d51fae41fefcde7b3b283803d24 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVjtFIXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDdmYzEzY2UwMjA3MmQ5Y2IyYTZkNTFmYWU0MWZlZmNk ZTdiM2IyODM4MDNkMjQvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQwIXyHOf0udxm/wf/YVCR0cs8NEYZ2vzNDbcm/Xeq FAUVrb028beSWLdtaM3nj25FTK/Tq2rK2AEXR3+f5VGjzGlO3gyOyz/H4UhUw6wK oy/3dH4Jqjos4ioEnwbXxpweSkMyVAgbATTfs5p1OW1b+Td+k8eXNtpQqcdpRSc1 tl3WWSUzq4OAmNA5YLcKGJekpGmtfkTgkc0Ap7uE8ECSL2rUn60BbauUvo8huCC3 GepV4843JZD9pjMapmzT1mJG7/akwNHKCguRqveh8K2rZoSrrRQ7THl4eG2zXFO6 SCH8u93OoZQy/QjEncy2wMOJLW+CsFx+R2qPYg5xSjBeD8cuo552Co6VuoBeSA== =CW3S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+--