Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SUirY-0000en-SJ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:22:16 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com ([209.85.215.47]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1SUirX-00057J-J8 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:22:16 +0000 Received: by lags15 with SMTP id s15so1033185lag.34 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=dMKMxOjHUkVz7spsEKtEf0CPCXlKs3vKgCaEtFJAxes=; b=YfC1ilT9K6TkSmRO4FUFNUw5/YDAmF3hflUj1fbMJi/zCApFXYtdq9gLDNq2ozV2iA +QlHPtEUifsVICvQg38H2odyubYHRdjC1PdHjVTkzTrjMGnU0rQ2h920DzbJSJFMJExo pLNtBQ8Aq+xpRu1oaWtHqYynpriyZC9gv/fZ/idkO9a/3G0jky88idJfEx2h2UZpAYdt CoG2PANwOAd9vYzw8FvfNWsUKGtRG/A7w6H+6jRgbTxrtfUJmPd5qinkscBlHwfWNWe6 jmRTUg7Qwafg4xZ6QIY1HGD1SsYhedy4wQ5eoJCsnrudeuksQWlAd1Pex/gFqoxLcZ4+ FaTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.28.10 with SMTP id x10mr1786221lbg.41.1337192528985; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.97 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [99.43.178.25] In-Reply-To: References: <1337186094.12490.YahooMailNeo@web121005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Garzik To: Mike Hearn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlG67afTqogNL861hV6LnlDAc0QczwGI6GBxotfnftfeKvisOoQAcuGg4gTyUbOBi6UR1b5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Headers-End: 1SUirX-00057J-J8 Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 33 - Stratized Nodes X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:22:16 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > Thanks for getting this started. > > With regards to the specific proposal, I don't believe it's the best opti= on > and still plan to eventually implement the original design outlined more > than a year ago in this thread: > > =A0=A0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D7972.msg116285#msg116285 > > Namely that you use a new protocol command to set a Bloom filter on a > connection. Only transactions matching that filter will appear in relayed > inventory. Blocks that are requested will arrive as a header plus > transaction/merkle branch pairs. Clients are expected to maintain and tra= ck > the block chain as per usual, but instead of downloading the whole chain = and > then dropping the irrelevant transactions, that filtering is done server > side. By strengthening or weakening the Bloom filters you can choose your > preferred point on the privacy/bandwidth-usage spectrum. It is a fairly > simple change to the Satoshi and BitcoinJ codebases but still allows clie= nts > to gain confidence in their balance by examining the chain, and this is t= rue > even in the presence of a hijacked internet connection (you can't trust > pending transactions that way, but you can still trust confirmed > transactions). Makes sense. In an idealized model of a client as a set of private keys, they will want to (a) notice new activity on these keys, (b) notice increased confidence on existing transactions with those keys [confirmations], and (c) be able to submit to the network new transactions. Your proposal covers those bases, I believe. --=20 Jeff Garzik exMULTI, Inc. jgarzik@exmulti.com