Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:32:50 +0000
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From: Ali Sherief <ali@notatether.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Future of the bitcoin-dev mailing list
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I find Google Groups especially repugnant not not only because what has alr=
eady been mentioned, but Google Groups has a quite clunky and annoying user=
 interface that makes it difficult for me to find anything or interest in t=
here.

Usenet was migrated to Google Groups for some reason, and it's very difficu=
lt to search for anything of particular interest using that site.

Not to mention that Google Groups also contains a larger amount of spam (w.=
r.t value), so arguably the moderation burden will be higher.

It is necessary to try to find a way to keep the discussion on a mail serve=
r, since a migration off of it will render many users' email clients useles=
s for this purpose.

- Ali

> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 18:51:26 +0000, alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail.com> wr=
ote:
>
> Hi Overthefalls,
>
> +1
>
> Using google for bitcoin mailing list is not good. It feels embarrassing =
that some developers that built and maintained the only decentralized netwo=
rk used to settle uncensored payments and some of them even working on nost=
r, can't build their own mailing list which is better than present mailing =
list. I have some ideas but it seems the influential developers have alread=
y decided and wont accept anything.
>
> Nostr can be used to build a mailing list which also allows anyone to sen=
d emails apart from publishing events from different clients. We just need =
a new NIP so that nostr relays understand its a different event. There can =
be multiple front end with different levels of moderation to hide some emai=
ls and ultimately one will be used the most. It can use multiple relays and=
 relays share some information in NIP 11 which can include an email address=
.
>
> /dev/fd0
> floppy disk guy
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Monday, November 13th, 2023 at 8:35 PM, Overthefalls via bitcoin-dev b=
itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >
> > > Google Groups is another interesting option,
> >
> > I don't think I'm the only person on this list that is strongly opposed=
 to using google for anything. They are too big and they have their hand in=
 everything, and their eyes (and analytics) on everything.
> >
> > I remember when there were virtually no gmail email addresses that post=
ed to this list. Suddenly in 2020 or 2021, we had an influx of gmail subscr=
ibers and posters. That didn't escape me then and it is not lost on me now.
> >
> > Email is great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that ev=
eryone gets a copy of the data, there is no single central authority that c=
an edit emails once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive email messa=
ges, they can generally store or publish the data anywhere they like. That =
is not the case with web forum content.
> >
> > I like the lightning anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to fin=
ally adopt lightning, and it would, I'm sure, produce some interesting resu=
lts for the list.
> >
> > I don't think email should be out of the question. Does anyone besides =
kanzure@gmail.com think that sticking with email is out of the question?
> >
> > Let's do what's necessary to stick with email.