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From: Rodney Morris <rodney.morris@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 08:23:01 +1100
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You guessed wrong. Multiple data centres are as much about redundancy and
resiliency, and latency.

As for the cost, data centre space, business grade communication lines, and
staff are orders of magnitude more expensive than the physical hardware
they support.

I'd like to call you out on your continuing reduction to absurdity and
slippery slope arguments. Just because we can't handle 4GB blocks today,
doesn't mean we shouldn't aim in that direction. Doesn't mean we shouldn't
be taking our first second and third baby steps in that direction.

If the obsession with every personal computer being able to run a fill node
continues then bitcoin will be consigned to the dustbin of history, a
footnote to the story of the global crypto currency that eventually took
over the world.

Thanks
Rodney


Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:14:42 -0400
From: David Vorick <david.vorick@gmail.com>
To: Jared Lee Richardson <jaredr26@gmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting
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Then explain why PayPal has multiple datacenters. And why Visa has multiple
datacenters. And why the banking systems have multiple datacenters each.

I'm guessing it's because you need that much juice to run a global payment
system at the transaction volumes that they run at.


Unless you have professional experience working directly with transaction
processors handling tens of millions of financial transactions per day, I
think we can fully discount your assessment that it would be a rounding
error in the budget of a major exchange or Bitcoin processor to handle that
much load. And even if it was, it wouldn't matter because it's extremely
important to Bitcoin's security that it's everyday users are able to and
are actively running full nodes.

I'm not going to take the time to refute everything you've been saying but
I will say that most of your comments have demonstrated a similar level of
ignorance as the one above.

This whole thread has been absurdly low quality.

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 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As for the cost, data centre spac=
e, business grade communication lines, and staff are orders of magnitude mo=
re expensive than the physical hardware they support.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;d like to call you out on your =
continuing reduction to absurdity and slippery slope arguments. Just becaus=
e we can&#39;t handle 4GB blocks today, doesn&#39;t mean we shouldn&#39;t a=
im in that direction. Doesn&#39;t mean we shouldn&#39;t be taking our first=
 second and third baby steps in that direction.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If the obsession with every personal computer=
 being able to run a fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to =
the dustbin of history, a footnote to the story of the global crypto curren=
cy that eventually took over the world.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Rodney=C2=A0</div=
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To: Jared Lee Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jaredr26@gmail.com">jaredr26=
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Then explain why PayPal has multiple datacenters. And why Visa has multiple=
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datacenters. And why the banking systems have multiple datacenters each.<br=
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I&#39;m guessing it&#39;s because you need that much juice to run a global =
payment<br>
system at the transaction volumes that they run at.<br>
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Unless you have professional experience working directly with transaction<b=
r>
processors handling tens of millions of financial transactions per day, I<b=
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think we can fully discount your assessment that it would be a rounding<br>
error in the budget of a major exchange or Bitcoin processor to handle that=
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much load. And even if it was, it wouldn&#39;t matter because it&#39;s extr=
emely<br>
important to Bitcoin&#39;s security that it&#39;s everyday users are able t=
o and<br>
are actively running full nodes.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not going to take the time to refute everything you&#39;ve been say=
ing but<br>
I will say that most of your comments have demonstrated a similar level of<=
br>
ignorance as the one above.<br>
<br>
This whole thread has been absurdly low quality.<br><br><br>
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