Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WXYPu-00072w-Ci for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:58:30 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=80.91.229.3; envelope-from=gcbd-bitcoin-development@m.gmane.org; helo=plane.gmane.org; Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WXYPs-0001CM-Lj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:58:30 +0000 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WXYPg-0005zu-Fp for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:58:16 +0200 Received: from f052197069.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.52.197.69]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:58:16 +0200 Received: from andreas by f052197069.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:58:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net From: Andreas Schildbach Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:58:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <53344FF8.7030204@gk2.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: f052197069.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.91.229.3 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.1 DKIM_ADSP_ALL No valid author signature, domain signs all mail -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1WXYPs-0001CM-Lj Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] New BIP32 structure X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:58:30 -0000 On 04/08/2014 05:46 PM, slush wrote: > I understand each client will implement things a little bit different, > for example the current plan is bitcoinj will hold all keys in memory > and start reusing keys on low resources. Electrum uses a chain for their > private purpose. Etc. > > It still doesn't mean that bitcoinj or Electrum cannot share the bare > minimum of BIP XX. Of course if somebody will use Electrum for 2to3 > transactions and then move wallet to client which does not offer such > feature, it won't work. But I don't see that as a problem. There is no "bare minimum". Either you implement the "BIP" fully or not. There is no inbetween. Likewise, the standard cannot be extended unless you create a new standard that is based on the old (without re-using the path, of course). We're lightyears away from a BIP. Lets first create implementations and see if they are compatible in all possible combinations and situations. The moment any two apps have a different view on their wallets generated from the same seed, they're incompatible. In this case they should either fix the issue or intentionally choose incompatible paths, so that they don't see and spend "subsets" of each other.