Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CDCD92 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 21:54:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148114.authsmtp.net (outmail148114.authsmtp.net [62.13.148.114]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F296F183 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 21:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c232.authsmtp.com (mail-c232.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.232]) by punt20.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id u78LsAZm020677; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:54:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from petertodd.org (ec2-52-5-185-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com [52.5.185.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id u78Ls8MZ037906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:54:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petertodd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2122840104; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 21:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7D272054D; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:54 -0700 From: Peter Todd To: James MacWhyte , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <20160808215354.GA1373@fedora-21-dvm> References: <20160808154707.GB2196@banane.informatik.uni-ulm.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Server-Quench: a2fd4c54-5db2-11e6-829e-00151795d556 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR bwdMdgoUGUATAgsB AmAbWVZeVVl7WGM7 bghPaBtcak9QXgdq T0pMXVMcUQJgfV8J e3QeUR57dwMIeXp2 ZkYsD3INCEApcEJg RxoGF3AHZDJmdWgd WRVFdwNVdQJNdxoR b1V5GhFYa3VsNCMk FAgyOXU9MCtqYARU TgALIhofR1oKBDN0 TBcEATgpAQUCSW00 KVktKlcdGg4NKEw0 KlIqRVMfNQR6 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1037:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 52.5.185.120/25 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Tony Churyumoff Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hiding entire content of on-chain transactions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 21:54:13 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 08, 2016 at 09:41:27PM +0000, James MacWhyte via bitcoin-dev wr= ote: > Wouldn't you lose the ability to assume transactions in the blockchain are > verified as valid, since miners can't see the details of what is being > spent and how? I feel like this ability is bitcoin's greatest asset, and = by > removing it you're creating an altcoin different enough to not be connect= ed > to/supported by the main bitcoin project. The fact that miners verify transactions is just an optimisation: https://petertodd.org/2013/disentangling-crypto-coin-mining Preventing double-spending however is a fundemental requirement of Bitcoin,= and this proposal does prevent double-spending perfectly well (although there m= ay be better ways to do it). The OP's proposal sounds quite similar to my earlier one along similar line= s: https://petertodd.org/2016/closed-seal-sets-and-truth-lists-for-privacy --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXqP9wAAoJEGOZARBE6K+y2TIH+QH5uRYXazHr2p2wtT2dcwQD RRrCZbyr4pwuzCOJRKjrdKF1UJAz/Ui05FZbmE7ZgGIiSuC2pAdUmRQ71JYlq+Z1 Z7UxhbG8pVJHaOXykeRpEkFUFOA5QD/MeE4TAKjVhicQo/i6/bZrl9KmDTqwvuTY 2077FJYaZe8dWtVB6N6fxdsNstgodvxs6aAFByv72vrlIr4r+2zhTUa/dBefR/zw OYABAtNqAqNV6Ih86pHUL90Zipo2mS4UYtkk/0NkN2mlRCjSqOFV491MBawcx5ea 6h1RRhE5/YvgzsFmxKM2RJs04C1PLEWLkQAw9dGBK8fZbCDKW03/9pCjQrlSiGg= =wjii -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l--