Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C5AC0001 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 22:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F04833A8 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 22:19:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=satoshilabs.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gywNT5RR3XRn for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 22:19:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-ot1-x332.google.com (mail-ot1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::332]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EDA2833C6 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 22:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-x332.google.com with SMTP id i23-20020a9d68d70000b02902dc19ed4c15so2478626oto.0 for ; Sat, 15 May 2021 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=satoshilabs.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hasek5zajhPUOl9WpP0woMEE7DypGhJl17U4Mo3PAkI=; b=KQ8BJAXFJxJ9XCVNIipVUEpv1OOX+i4dErw7mK4veixSHDbBB7wTo5F1T/IWk5rxzR CZdpZ7v0GZqk8uaqHBrDCpbN1xmu/OJ3M4i8a5zEY/uaGhVYGCnvbgtLnnZqVlrgvvAd RK2HMEjAdAv0/xGlByvAgMW/HxjvCqEf7kuYUkTWwxymaTUGuMVJxU+cLe66viKt0DKA upd4JdlUpPqT2G0exac1nLQoys+8qnvFYrmbD1/MeRce6oH39wdVhGgIO94VbLFby9lz 5hiGeyH9Txfv5YBqpQTPrFbRCEBl/DCgC5qgKRV+PFMK3OHX85PmMtOzcHWPkVAG0SzT fzZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hasek5zajhPUOl9WpP0woMEE7DypGhJl17U4Mo3PAkI=; b=FjF/jINO98ee+BfBj1K8mr7oY1Ibz2u0tedkAi2GUYDal1nz58xG0MVLvfzihTRU17 Kp7CYnCtXYs0BMZjFF0A+FkSsSGC+f9teMsmSrDwq26SQyIrchcVCT79QlE9lu+5GIZ/ zh5ZJpzL+Bc+XO1J840moQCZx68UFcJB7nlJd/4PNDdAao+8uxGmnmYO59gAVmzaQzRl Umwc5loOiF0vfVDNLg5QA7k2FGBMhXRya5MJmJvK/iOSK2d6MO/k45NnHQbzbUnwIG2E 0DuWj8DDvBz3bK93cvvDMhRW9Zlk0P5JqjjjIR8Hl3vMSmt6rK2kGJ1t4gCDVq0G4r23 Kw0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ik2KCPoVf0uKiRWX0As3X9ZV74tp5mGu7/ztJTURY0w4fD+x4 42MGAeOKunHEMebGfLPkUnS9vVhpRcarn9lzzq3JDQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwiJcn1EPZ0qby8yctfLcIJPPO4i/dFDlU7vmKHaw0xJ6Hk2UFWRV2iKjFulOv3EA6BE7YC1pxaQ7ezPaKS6Po= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:905:: with SMTP id v5mr43810157ott.214.1621117182207; Sat, 15 May 2021 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Pavol Rusnak Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 00:19:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: Michael Fuhrmann , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c8f7dd05c265c1b4" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 22:19:44 -0000 --000000000000c8f7dd05c265c1b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Please read the Bitcoin whitepaper. It's a very interesting read. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol "stick" Rusnak Co-founder and CTO, SatoshiLabs On Sat, May 15, 2021, 23:57 Michael Fuhrmann via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > Bitcoin should create blocks every 10 minutes in average. So why do > miners need to mine the 9 minutes after the last block was found? It's > not necessary. > > Problem: How to prevent "pre-mining" in the 9 minutes time window? > > Possible ideas for discussion: > > - (maybe most difficult) global network timer sending a salted hash time > code after 9 minutes. this enables validation by nodes. > > - (easy attempt) mining jobs before 9 minutes have a 10 (or 100 or just > high enough) times higher difficulty. so everyone can mine any time but > before to 9 minutes are up there will be a too high downside. It is more > efficient to wait then paying high bills. The bitcoin will get a "puls". > > > I dont think I see all problems behind these ideas but if there is a > working solution to do so then the energy fud will find it's end. Saving > energy without loosing rosbustness. > > > > :) > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --000000000000c8f7dd05c265c1b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please read the Bitcoin whitepaper. It's a very inter= esting read.

--
Best Rega= rds / S pozdravom,

Pavol "stick" Rusnak
Co-founder and = CTO, SatoshiLabs

On Sat, May 15, 2021, 23:57 Michael Fuhrmann via bitc= oin-dev <bitcoi= n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Hello,

Bitcoin should create blocks every 10 minutes in average. So why do
miners need to mine the 9 minutes after the last block was found? It's<= br> not necessary.

Problem: How to prevent "pre-mining" in the 9 minutes time window= ?

Possible ideas for discussion:

- (maybe most difficult) global network timer sending a salted hash time code after 9 minutes. this enables validation by nodes.

- (easy attempt) mining jobs before 9 minutes have a 10 (or 100 or just
high enough) times higher difficulty. so everyone can mine any time but
before to 9 minutes are up there will be a too high downside. It is more efficient to wait then paying high bills. The bitcoin will get a "puls= ".


I dont think I see all problems behind these ideas but if there is a
working solution to do so then the energy fud will find it's end. Savin= g
energy without loosing rosbustness.



:)
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