Return-Path: <j@rubin.io> Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48997C000B for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3701760D76 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DQ5i-fu17q6I for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mslow1.mail.gandi.net (mslow1.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.240]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB79060ABA for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc4:8::227]) by mslow1.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E29D2A8B for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (Authenticated sender: j@rubin.io) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 081DD2000A for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id s25so27467002lji.5 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ypal0ISPo1MHlPMb1hQPbSoyUCiHUozz+S4Asf7XeiRrW29ze R8RehB4XRuAjJe9bFptEga+FTL15k3s5t0FAsRk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz+ldK/QIQKeJIClwu3q7SN5MlK0VfqX3S3LrvDich0gHSZtkBaP565fc0I7xwKR96qVlxpgOKx0K+q4RW/tNM= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:bc0e:0:b0:247:f348:d6dd with SMTP id b14-20020a2ebc0e000000b00247f348d6ddmr17963463ljf.323.1647364900170; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAMZUoKkTDjDSgnqhYio8Lnh-yTdsNAdXbDC9RQwnN00RdbbL6w@mail.gmail.com> <CABm2gDrdoD3QZ=gZ_nd7Q+AZpetX32dLON7pfdC4aAwpLRd4xA@mail.gmail.com> <CAMZUoK=kpZZw++WmdRM0KTkj6dQhmtsanm9eH1TksNwypKS8Zw@mail.gmail.com> <CABm2gDpFFg47Ld3HHhTq2SVTaCusm1ybDpEmvKV=S3cFTAQwoA@mail.gmail.com> <CAMZUoKkPF6gPGpDWy1U+0GCONF-_qsTcOz0S1X+vx8_Kfqr8mw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAMZUoKkPF6gPGpDWy1U+0GCONF-_qsTcOz0S1X+vx8_Kfqr8mw@mail.gmail.com> From: Jeremy Rubin <j@rubin.io> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:21:29 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: <CAD5xwhgYUgYd001NXrCq-H7qCJuifChN+jF98KGbKFbENT3J+Q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAD5xwhgYUgYd001NXrCq-H7qCJuifChN+jF98KGbKFbENT3J+Q@mail.gmail.com> To: "Russell O'Connor" <roconnor@blockstream.com>, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b0af9105da450709" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:25:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:38 -0000 --000000000000b0af9105da450709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Boker tov bitcoin devs, A mechanism of soft-forking against activation exists. What more do you > want? > Agreed -- that should be enough. > Are we supposed to write the code on behalf of this hypothetical group of > users who may or may not exist for them just so that they can have a node > that remains stalled on Speedy Trial lockin? > That simply isn't reasonable, but if you think it is, I invite you to > create such a fork. > Disagree. It is a reasonable ask. I've done it in about 40 lines of python: https://github.com/jeremyrubin/forkd Merry Christmas Jorge, please vet the code carefully before running. Peace, Jeremy --000000000000b0af9105da450709 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul= t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rg= b(0,0,0)">Boker tov bitcoin devs,</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;= border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex= "><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>A mechanism of soft-fork= ing against activation exists.=C2=A0 What more do you want?<br></div></div>= </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)= ">Agreed -- that should be enough.</div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockqu= ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wid= th:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-l= eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Are we supposed t= o write the code on behalf of this hypothetical group of users who may or m= ay not exist for them just so that they can have a node that remains stalle= d on Speedy Trial lockin?=C2=A0</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote c= lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1p= x;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1= ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>That simply isn't = reasonable, but if you think it is, I invite you to create such a fork.<br>= </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" = style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0= ,0,0)">Disagree.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari= al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-= size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It is a reasonable ask.</div><div class=3D"gma= il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small= ;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam= ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I've d= one it in about 40 lines of python: <a href=3D"https://github.com/jeremyrub= in/forkd">https://github.com/jeremyrubin/forkd</a></div><div class=3D"gmail= _default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;c= olor:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil= y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Merry Christ= mas Jorge, please vet the code carefully before running.</div><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:s= mall;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font= -family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Peace,= </div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san= s-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color= :rgb(0,0,0)">Jeremy</div></div></div> --000000000000b0af9105da450709--