Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4i3K-000440-M5 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:00:46 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of dashjr.org designates 192.3.11.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.3.11.21; envelope-from=luke@dashjr.org; helo=zinan.dashjr.org; Received: from zinan.dashjr.org ([192.3.11.21]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z4i3J-0005eX-RY for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:00:46 +0000 Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265:61b6:56a6:b03d:28d6]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22DEC108370F; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Hashcash: 1:25:150616:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net::5LvQN6N61I12WlNW:2Uur X-Hashcash: 1:25:150616:kgreenek@gmail.com::Lldnz20WPt2VaIai:dtagF X-Hashcash: 1:25:150616:sickpig@gmail.com::4XYA9SZPe34m02Xq:akC9O From: Luke Dashjr To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:41:09 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.14.41-gentoo; KDE/4.14.3; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201506160341.10994.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.5 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1Z4i3J-0005eX-RY Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The Bitcoin Node Market X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:00:46 -0000 On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:30:44 AM Kevin Greene wrote: > Would SPV wallets have to pay to connect to the network too? From the > user's perspective, it would be somewhat upsetting (and confusing) to see > your balance slowly draining every time you open your wallet app. It would > also tie up outputs every time you open up your wallet. You may go to pay > for something in a coffee shop, only to find that you can't spend your > bitcoin because the wallet had to create a transaction to pay to sync with > the network. > > Also, users of centralized wallet services like Coinbase would not have to > pay that fee; but users of native wallets like breadwallet would have no > such option. This incentivizes users to use centralized wallets. > > So this is kind of imposing a worse user experience on users who want to > use bitcoin the "right" way. That doesn't seem like a good thing to me :/ SPV isn't the "right" way either ;) If you're running a full node (the real "right way"), you should be able to earn more bitcoins than you pay out. Luke