Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YrjiP-00015L-6W for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:09:33 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of national.shitposting.agency designates 75.102.27.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=75.102.27.230; envelope-from=insecurity@national.shitposting.agency; helo=mail.cock.li; Received: from cock.li ([75.102.27.230] helo=mail.cock.li) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YrjiO-0005rw-CL for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 09:09:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 08:50:20 +0000 From: insecurity@national.shitposting.agency To: sergiolerner@certimix.com Message-ID: <0cda31e339cfa74351ff7264ac07b406@national.shitposting.agency> X-Sender: insecurity@national.shitposting.agency User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.5 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1YrjiO-0005rw-CL Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] =?utf-8?q?Reducing_the_block_rate_instead_o?= =?utf-8?q?f_increasing=09the_maximum_block_size?= X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:09:33 -0000 > So if the server pushes new block > header candidates to clients, then the problem boils down to increasing > bandwidth of the servers to achieve a tenfold increase in work > distribution. Most Stratum pools already do multiple updates of the header every block period, bandwidth is really inconsequential, it's the latency that kills. At the present time you are looking up to 15 seconds between the first and last pools to push headers to their clients for the latest block. It's sort of inconsequential with a 10 minute block time, but it cuts into a 1 minute one very heavily. Some pools already don't do their own validation of blocks, but simply mirror other pools, pushing them to be even more latency focused will just make this an epidemic of invalidity rather than a solution. > There are several proof-of-work cryptocurrencies in existence > that have lower than 1 minute block intervals and they work just fine. > First there was Bitcoin with a 10 minute interval, then was LiteCoin > using a 2.5 interval, then was DogeCoin with 1 minute, and then > QuarkCoin with just 30 seconds. You can't really use these as examples of things going just fine. None of these networks see anything approaching the Bitcoin transaction volume and none have even remotely the same network size. Some Bitcoin forks use floats in consensus critical code and work "just fine", for the moment. We can't justify poor decisions with "but the altcoins are doing it". Is there even a single study of the stale rates within these networks?