Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1W2nZm-0002fG-RM for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:34 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gnomon.org.uk designates 93.93.131.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=93.93.131.22; envelope-from=roy@gnomon.org.uk; helo=darla.gnomon.org.uk; Received: from darla.gnomon.org.uk ([93.93.131.22]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1W2nZl-0002xe-8k for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:34 +0000 Received: from darla.gnomon.org.uk (localhost.gnomon.org.uk [127.0.0.1]) by darla.gnomon.org.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s0DJrKNa011379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:25 GMT (envelope-from roy@darla.gnomon.org.uk) Received: (from roy@localhost) by darla.gnomon.org.uk (8.14.3/8.14.1/Submit) id s0DJrJre011378; Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:19 GMT (envelope-from roy) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:19 +0000 From: Roy Badami To: Mike Hearn Message-ID: <20140113195319.GK38964@giles.gnomon.org.uk> References: <20140106120338.GA14918@savin> <20140110102037.GB25749@savin> <20140113133746.GI38964@giles.gnomon.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140113133746.GI38964@giles.gnomon.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1W2nZl-0002xe-8k Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:53:35 -0000 > > Likewise, I could attach a payment request to an email and send it to you, > > and now you can pay me whenever you want forever. > > That certainly sounds like a plausible use case. You do still have > the problem that e-mail is an insecure channel, but it's no worse than > exchanging Bitcoin addreses over e-mail as things stand at the > moment. On further reflection, I'm not sure I understand this use case of the payment protocol. Since a PaymentRequest currently contains the Outputs that specify the addresses to send to, reusing a PaymentRequest like this without using stealth addresses implies address reuse. (Granted there are alternative solutions to stealth addresses, such as a BIP32-style derivation.) roy