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charset=windows-1252 Actually gap in parallel branches already fails with BIP64 as it starts = with m/64'/=85. without having m/63' Regards, Tamas Blummer http://bitsofproof.com On 26.04.2014, at 12:59, Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com> wrote: > Yes, it is expensive but possible to discover any funds associated = with a seed, provided there are set limits to: >=20 > 1. gap of address use (e.g. 20) > 2. depth of hierarchy (e.g. 6) > 3. gap in use of parallel branches (e.g. 0)=20 >=20 > I would pick the limits in brackets above.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Tamas Blummer > http://bitsofproof.com >=20 > On 26.04.2014, at 12:48, Tier Nolan <tier.nolan@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >> Maybe the solution is to have a defined way to import an unknown = wallet? >>=20 >> This means that the gap space and a search ordering needs to be = defined. >>=20 >> Given a blockchain and a root seed, it should be possible to find all = the addresses for that root seed. >>=20 >> The hierarchy that the wallet actually uses could be anything. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_132BE00B-DDB7-446F-8DD0-CCAF5D53F926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;">Actually gap in parallel branches already fails with = BIP64 as it starts with m/64'/=85. without having m/63'<div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2; float: none; display: inline !important;">Regards,</span><br = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2;"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = widows: 2; float: none; display: inline !important;">Tamas = Blummer</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2; float: none; display: inline !important;"><a = href=3D"http://bitsofproof.com">http://bitsofproof.com</a></span> </span></div> <br><div><div>On 26.04.2014, at 12:59, Tamas Blummer <<a = href=3D"mailto:tamas@bitsofproof.com">tamas@bitsofproof.com</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dus-ascii"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Yes, = it is expensive but possible to discover any funds associated with a = seed, provided there are set limits to:<div><br></div><div>1. gap of = address use (e.g. 20)</div><div>2. depth of hierarchy (e.g. = 6)</div><div>3. gap in use of parallel branches (e.g. = 0) </div><div><br></div><div>I would pick the limits in brackets = above. </div><div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; float: none; = display: inline !important;">Regards,</span><br style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2;"><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; float: none; = display: inline !important;">Tamas Blummer</span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = widows: 2; float: none; display: inline !important;"><a = href=3D"http://bitsofproof.com/">http://bitsofproof.com</a></span> </span></div> <br><div><div>On 26.04.2014, at 12:48, Tier Nolan <<a = href=3D"mailto:tier.nolan@gmail.com">tier.nolan@gmail.com</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Maybe the solution is to have a = defined way to import an unknown wallet?<br><br>This means that the gap = space and a search ordering needs to be defined.<br><br></div>Given a = blockchain and a root seed, it should be possible to find all the = addresses for that root seed.<br> <br></div>The hierarchy that the wallet actually uses could be = anything.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><= br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_132BE00B-DDB7-446F-8DD0-CCAF5D53F926-- --Apple-Mail=_DF7B3353-2335-4869-B7E1-CC61C7AEFB68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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