Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 111981DC9 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:14:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from s47.web-hosting.com (s47.web-hosting.com [199.188.200.16]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E31F22A1 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:51609 helo=server47.web-hosting.com) by server47.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi0A7-002Olx-Js; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:14:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:14:11 -0400 From: jl2012@xbt.hk To: Mike Hearn In-Reply-To: References: <20150927185031.GA20599@savin.petertodd.org> Message-ID: <13429f00cbb7f361b4cdf309f0e063b3@xbt.hk> X-Sender: jl2012@xbt.hk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server47.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.linuxfoundation.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - xbt.hk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server47.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: jl2012@xbt.hk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,PLING_QUERY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] =?utf-8?q?Crossing_the_line=3F_=5BWas=3A_Re=3A_Let?= =?utf-8?q?=27s_deploy_BIP65_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!=5D?= X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:14:22 -0000 According to the Oxford Dictionary, "coin" as a verb means "invent (a new word or phrase)". Undoubtedly you created the first functional SPV client but please retract the claim "I coined the term SPV" or that's plagiarism. And I'd like to highlight the following excerpt from the whitepaper: "the simplified method can be fooled by an attacker's fabricated transactions for as long as the attacker can continue to overpower the network. One strategy to protect against this would be to accept alerts from network nodes when they detect an invalid block, prompting the user's software to download the full block and alerted transactions to confirm the inconsistency." Header only clients without any fraud detecting mechanism are functional but incomplete SPV implementations, according to Sathoshi's original definition. This might be good enough for the first generation SPV wallet, but eventually SPV clients should be ready to detect any rule violation in the blockchain, including things like block size (as Satoshi mentioned "invalid block", not just "invalid transaction"). Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-10-02 08:23 寫到: > FWIW the "coining" I am referring to is here: > > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7972.msg116285#msg116285 [4] > > OK, with that, here goes. Firstly some terminology. I'm going to call > these things SPV clients for "simplified payment verification". > Headers-only is kind of a mouthful and "lightweight client" is too > vague, as there are several other designs that could be described as > lightweight like RPC frontend and Stefans WebCoin API approach > > At that time nobody used the term "SPV wallet" to refer to what apps > like BreadWallet or libraries like bitcoinj do. Satoshi used the term > "client only mode", Jeff was calling them "headers only client" etc. > So I said, I'm going to call them SPV wallets after the section of the > whitepaper that most precisely describes their operation.