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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
From: Tim Ruffing <crypto@timruffing.de>
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I fully agree with Sergi and Matt here.=C2=A0

(Sorry, this is just a +1 message, but I really don't have anything
meaningful to add to their arguments.)

Tim

On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 13:50 -0400, Matt Corallo wrote:
> Strongly agree with Sergi here,
>=20
> I'd suggest 2-3 BIP editors who are actually responsible for things
> is more useful than 5 BIP=20
> editors where no one is responsible for anything.
>=20
> Again, I'm not convinced dumping this on more people is useful, folks
> like Roasbeef are great but=20
> clearly don't have time to keep up with yet more things, and not sure
> why folks are on the list here=20
> who haven't been active on the Bitcoin-dev ML and in BIPs for many
> years (eg no idea who Seccour is).
>=20
> Matt
>=20
> On 4/11/24 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
> > =C2=A0> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task,
> > so personal preferences are easily=20
> > ignored and overwritten by the group majority.
> >=20
> > I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here.
> > Having too many editors may result in=20
> > a tragedy of the commons, in which people just commit to the job
> > because many others do, and they do=20
> > not end up doing as much because they expect others to do the it.
> > This does not only make the=20
> > process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the
> > job, given their time commitment=20
> > ends up being too far from their expectations.
> >=20
> > I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better,
> > and gives us leeway in case the=20
> > workload ends up being excessive and we need to add more people
> > (plus discourage people from joining=20
> > and slacking off).
> >=20
> > I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. I'd
> > personally vouch for Murch,=20
> > Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the space
> >=20
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk
> > <rdlfnvk@gmail.com=C2=A0<mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >=20
> > +1 for
> > Kanzure
> > RubenSomsen
> > Seccour
> > Jon Atack
> > Roasbeef
> >=20
> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> > personal preferences are
> > easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority.
> >=20
> > BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
> >=20
> > I'd like to return to that.
> >=20
> > - NVK (temp gmail account)
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4=
 David A. Harding
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Co=
rallo wrote:
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Please provide justi=
fication rather than simply saying
> > "I like Bob!".
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Using only comments from the=
 mailing list, the following
> > appears to be
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the candidate list along wit=
h the current support.
> > Asterisks denote
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 candidates who indicated the=
ir willingness to accept the
> > role.
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, re=
commended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
> > Stewart[3],
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Michael Folkson[6], Peter To=
dd[9], Matt Corallo[10],
> > Brandon
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Black[11],
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13]=
, Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> > Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Ruben Somsen, recommended =
by Ava Chow[1], Chris
> > Stewart[3], Michael
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12=
], Murch[13], Antoine
> > Poinsot[15], John
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Jon Atack*, recommended by=
 Luke Dashjr[2], Chris
> > Stewart[3],
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 /dev/fd0[5][7],
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Brandon Black[11], Antoine R=
iard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
> > Carvalho[16]
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osunto=
kun, recommended by Chris
> > Stewart[3], John
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][=
7], Keagan McClelland[8],
> > Antoine
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, rec=
ommended by Michael Folkson[6],
> > Keagan
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[=
10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
> > Riard[12],
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ava Chow[14]
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Michael Folkson*
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[1=
7] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
> > "non-dev
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 triaging", Tonoski proposed =
himself[18] for "BIP editor",
> > and Antoine
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Riard[12] proposed Seccour f=
or "decentralized PM".
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I searched the BIPs repo by =
commenter to see if any of the
> > above
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 candidates had been especial=
ly active there, which is
> > listed below as:
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 total PRs they commented on =
(number still open/number
> > closed).
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzur=
e
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensom=
sen
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonata=
ck
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbe=
ef
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchan=
damus
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 57 (6/51) commenter:michae=
lfolkson
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'll also note that Osuntoku=
n is the only member of the set
> > to have a
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 merged BIP that they co-auth=
ored, although I believe there
> > are far-along
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft BIPs for both Murch (t=
erminology) and Somsen (Silent
> > Payments). I
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't think this should be a=
 requirement, but I do think it
> > demonstrates
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 familiarity with the process=
.
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Speaking only for myself, I =
think all of the candidates
> > above with
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 multiple recommendations fro=
m other community participants
> > are fully
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 qualified for the role, so I=
'll only provide a detailed
> > justification
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for the person who would be =
my first pick: Murch is not
> > only a
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 longstanding and broadly lik=
ed Bitcoin contributor, but (as
> > Corallo
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mentioned) he has worked on =
standardizing terminology
> > through a draft
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BIP. In addition, he provide=
d an extremely detailed review
> > of all 300
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 pages of a draft of Masterin=
g Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
> > reviewed
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 drafts of over 200 weekly Op=
tech newsletters, in both cases
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 significantly improving the =
accuracy and comprehensibility
> > of the
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 documentation. To me, that s=
eems very similar to the work
> > we'd ask him
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to perform as a BIPs editor =
and it's something that he's
> > already doing,
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 so I think there's an excell=
ent fit of person to role.
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Dave
> >=20
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [1]
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow101.com/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d979275
> > 51e@achow101.com/>
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [2]
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr.org/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a6
> > 2a3@dashjr.org/>
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/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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> > 9a2n@googlegroups.com/>
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> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpurgatory.com=
/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55899b
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> > https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@googlegroups.com=
/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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> > fabn@googlegroups.com/>
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/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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RA5...@mail.gmail.com/
> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgL
> > EazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/>
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> > <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+EKMCP5oEb
> > HSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/>
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