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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin
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You have plenty of good points, but they are not relevant to this mailing list. I suggest you take them elsewhere.
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Jameson Lopp
Software Engineer
Bronto Software, Inc

On 02/10/2014 01:25 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote:
>>> Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository
>>> who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment' connections.
>>
>> I am, unless you count the fact that I own some Bitcoin and some
>> mining hardware as "'investment' connections" (and that case your
>> comments are worthless).
>>
>> (By not naming anyone else I don't mean to imply there are no others,
>> but I don't want to speak for anyone else. Nor would I necessarily
>> expect the other part(ies|y) to step forward, since this mostly
>> appears to be an invitation to step up and be attacked.)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> I also appreciate your commentary[1], and willingness to list your investment
> position. What I'm concerned about are people who have signed non-disclosure 
> agreements or who's salary/equity/whatever depend on people who are experts
> at manipulating markets to take naive investors money.
> 
> Independent is also a state of mind as much as it is about financial connections.
> 
> What pisses me off here is that a huge amount of wealth just changed hands based
> on MtGox's press release, and it stinks of insider trading. I still maintain the
> best outcome would be for MtGox to AGPLv3 release their code, and then those of 
> us that understand it would be able to have a public technical discussion about
> how to fix it, and MtGox would still maintain their intellectual property
> ownership position.
> 
> This, however, cuts off a significant revenue stream for people who take money
> making market bets 5 minutes before the information goes public, so I expect
> the likelyhood of such an outbreak of sanity is quite low.
> 
> [1] http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/
> 
> 
> DISCLAIMER: I have a significant emotional investment in copyleft/viral copyright
> development models, and I expect to take a lot of money charging people to write
> code I give away for free. I also occasionally make money from cryptocurrency
> mining, but only when I can sell it in functional and transparent markets.
> 
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