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[185.70.43.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5e81668afb7si269291a12.0.2025.03.17.07.11.36 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 17 Mar 2025 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of darosior@protonmail.com designates 185.70.43.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.43.22; Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:11:32 +0000 To: Weikeng Chen From: "'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2584bf15-8e7f-4d89-8987-f41dd06b2824n@googlegroups.com> References: <2584bf15-8e7f-4d89-8987-f41dd06b2824n@googlegroups.com> Feedback-ID: 7060259:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 02be785de5eefb5f475da1dc69a091dc33b04aff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b1=_CbU6DeupbRx1WRxiHfIErDnfiYoJbC9O3sodnDPqyXo" X-Original-Sender: darosior@protonmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=SlAaiEw4; spf=pass (google.com: domain of darosior@protonmail.com designates 185.70.43.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=darosior@protonmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=QUARANTINE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=protonmail.com X-Original-From: Antoine Poinsot Reply-To: Antoine Poinsot Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --b1=_CbU6DeupbRx1WRxiHfIErDnfiYoJbC9O3sodnDPqyXo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wouldn't go as far as saying it received "a lot" of support, but it did r= eceive some and i agree it would be nice to have both opcodes being discuss= ed on Signet. The PR adding it to inquisition last year as part of LNHANCE was abandoned = and closed a few months ago. Greg Sanders recently opened a WIP pull reques= t to add CSFS on its own: https://github.com/bitcoin-inquisition/bitcoin/pu= ll/72. > This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further. Looking forward to see some of that. On Sunday, March 16th, 2025 at 11:38 PM, Weikeng Chen wrote: > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be = added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a l= ot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSF= S isn't. > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to = start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM b= y replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on= -chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on= CTV + CSFS to develop further. > > Thanks, > Weikeng > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoinde= v/2584bf15-8e7f-4d89-8987-f41dd06b2824n%40googlegroups.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I wouldn't = go as far as saying it received "a lot" of support, but it did receive some= and i agree it would be nice to have both opcodes being discussed on Signe= t.
The = PR adding it to inquisition last year as part of LNHANCE was abandoned and = closed a few months ago. Greg Sanders recently opened a WIP pull request to= add CSFS on its own: = https://github.com/bitcoin-inquisition/bitcoin/pull/72.

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= This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
Looking forward to see some of that.
On Sunday, March 16th, 2025 at 11:38 PM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.c= hen@l2iterative.com> wrote:
I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS = should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently re= ceived a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few = years, CSFS isn't.

With CTV and CSFS being on the signet= also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been di= scussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures compl= etely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This= also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.

Thanks,
Weikeng

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