Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92F8C000D for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D961440258 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mattcorallo.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id laA9Qxwo3ASE for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail.as397444.net (mail.as397444.net [69.59.18.99]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30DF5401F6 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.as397444.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4H7Wyn1B5wz12CYd; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:32 +0000 (UTC) X-DKIM-Note: Keys used to sign are likely public at https://as397444.net/dkim/ DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mattcorallo.com; s=1631548864; t=1631550273; bh=9xkifdj1ag7FaSojubWHrWxpybp2soTnvC6lzSLzrzs=; h=From:Subject:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=gNfoznTRvN4+OE6bChdZso0fWGoiqnAtcc421DnVO3aUVJywIoHFjtKcjdr0kcaf1 TDHK/GD9Ta+vd7Iip7vKg55LJ2DZXEkf2DrnY1FlZiZHx6mop09yKQOPNEwGd8pPgZ TP5DIdmTUBL9Uwo2iPmeQeeUmtOibf9RnJ4JgRKn0HERMhZDV4yzhVjKj049yhEqXL goHlzxR8cZFY+hwrXALx/pLB4YTRQoPjhtAt2gJP2E9zX9HNeD0w9AIzO0zyELMMCd QIYRiaynJ3UuTfKqJQsnMCUDRbtF/mctWSVdWMDSLkN2VZ3XQgLb/wBQE65ovcHYEK m/GP8xZv01AFw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matt Corallo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 09:24:29 -0700 Message-Id: <68B066E6-0D96-49F0-88D2-D716E81BFDE8@mattcorallo.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: Michael Folkson Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reorgs on SigNet - Looking for feedback on approach and parameters X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:24:39 -0000 > On Sep 13, 2021, at 05:30, Michael Folkson wrot= e: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> Can you explain the motivation for this? =46rom where I sit, as far as I k= now, I should basically be > a prime example of the target market for public= signet - someone developing bitcoin applications > with regular requirement= s to test those applications with other developers without >> jumping through hoops to configure software the same across the globe and= set up miners. >> With blocks > being slow and irregular, I=E2=80=99m basically not benefit= ed at all by signet and will >> stick with testnet3/mainnet testing, which both suck. >=20 > On testnet3 you can realistically go days without blocks being found > (and conversely thousands of blocks can be found in a day), the block > discovery time variance is huge. Of course this is probabilistically > possible on mainnet too but the probability of this happening is close > to zero. Here[0] is an example of 16,000 blocks being found in a day > on testnet3. Blocks too fast isn=E2=80=99t generally an issue when waiting for blocks to t= est, and hooking up a miner is probably less work on testnet3 than creating a= multi-party private signet with miners. In any case, you didn=E2=80=99t add= ress the substance of the point - we can do better to make it a good platfor= m for testing=E2=80=A6. Why aren=E2=80=99t we?=